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    Is healthcare a right?

    What is "healthcare," first of all?

    Modern medicine becomes increasingly technological, and increasingly expensive. Does every human being have a right to the latest high tech medical interventions? No matter how expensive?

    What is the limit, and is there any limit?

    If we are going to have universal health care, it should be basic emergency interventions. That's all I want. Not everyone believes in mainstream modern medicine. We should NOT all be forced to pay for it. I would rather not pay high taxes so all Americans, no matter how irresponsible they are about their own health, can have expensive mainstream interventions.

    If we ever get universal healthcare, I hope it will include health education.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Yes. Everyone is free to seek medical attention. That doesn't, however, mean that it's free; paid for by the tax payers.
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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes. Everyone is free to seek medical attention. That doesn't, however, mean that it's free; paid for by the tax payers.
    Did you read my post at all? Some of the taxpayers are responsible about their own health. We can't prevent all diseases, but we can prevent the most common ones. Should I pay higher taxes so millions of Americans can continue eating at McDonalds and smoking cigarettes?

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    That is one of the great political questions. If folks have a right to be provided with food, clothing, shelter, utility services and medical care then why does anyone have to work in order to pay for providing those "basic human needs" for themselves and their dependents?

    Of course, in order for the state (i.e. government) to provide those things to everybody, then quite a few somebodies must work to provide them directly or to pay taxation to provide them indirectly. Yet if work is required only to add personal luxuries (all needs being furnished automagically by the state) then there would be no tax base large enough to tap to provide for those universal needs.
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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    Does every human being have a right to the latest high tech medical interventions? No matter how expensive?

    What is the limit, and is there any limit?

    ...

    Not everyone believes in mainstream modern medicine.
    You are right. It should be available only to those who get all their vaccines.
    (Those that read your other threads will understand.)

    If you were really interested, you'd know the answer - just see what rest of the world is doing.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is one of the great political questions. If folks have a right to be provided with food, clothing, shelter, utility service and medical care then why does anyone have to work in order to pay for providing those "basic human needs" for themselves and their dependents?

    Of course, in order for the state (i.e. government) to provide those things to everybody, then quite a few somebodies must work to provide them directly or to pay taxation to provide them indirectly. Yet if work is required only to add personal luxuries (all needs being furnished automagically by the state) then there would be no tax base large enough to tap to provide for those universal needs.
    Yeah.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    I guess it depends on how much human life is worth. So what is the going rate for a human being? According to insurance companies, people in their prime working years are worth more than the elderly or children.

    Look at it this way...the more people that pay into the insurance pool...the cheaper the insurance becomes. So if the whole country participated in the health insurance pool then we could all afford our own health insurance.

    So it's kinda like the difference of paying $6,000 a year for Medicare for All....or paying $24,000 a year for private insurance. I think I prefer the former to the latter.
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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slavister View Post
    You are right. It should be available only to those who get all their vaccines.
    (Those that read your other threads will understand.)

    If you were really interested, you'd know the answer - just see what rest of the world is doing.
    I doubt the Scandinavian countries have our rates of obesity and smoking.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    Yeah.
    Yeah what? If one has to work in order to provide these things for themselves and their dependents (or do without) then how are they "rights"?
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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    I doubt the Scandinavian countries have our rates of obesity and smoking.
    Why so?

    “46 per cent of all deaths before the age of 70 in Norway can be explained by behavioural factors such as unhealthy diet, obesity, low physical activity and the use of alcohol, tobacco and drugs” says Professor Stein Emil Vollset, Director of the newly established Centre for Burden of Disease at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health.
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