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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    NHS admin costs are growing slightly, due to the imposition of "internal markets" between competing "trusts" instead of regional health authorities assessing the needs of the local community and balancing their budgets. Despite that, they are still well below 5%. There are few if any "billing clerks" One of the problems of "health tourism" in a universal system is the unfamiliarity of a charging system. No clinical staff know anything about them and who or where to refer the patient for payment. They just treat the patient, regardless.
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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    If it costs them money, then it isn't free and therefore can't be a right. Furthermore, if it requires anyone else (e.g., teachers, doctors, etc.) then it cannot be an individual or inherent right. Natural rights are what you are born with, and nothing more. Nobody is born with a teacher or doctor, and there is no such thing as a "collective" right.
    So then if a gun costs money it can't be a right?
    I kinda like that.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    What is "healthcare," first of all?

    Modern medicine becomes increasingly technological, and increasingly expensive. Does every human being have a right to the latest high tech medical interventions? No matter how expensive?

    What is the limit, and is there any limit?

    If we are going to have universal health care, it should be basic emergency interventions. That's all I want. Not everyone believes in mainstream modern medicine. We should NOT all be forced to pay for it. I would rather not pay high taxes so all Americans, no matter how irresponsible they are about their own health, can have expensive mainstream interventions.

    If we ever get universal healthcare, I hope it will include health education.
    I don't think the question is a useful one.

    Strictly speaking, the answer has to be "no". No one has a right to claim the labor and property of someone else. No one has a right to be given anything.

    At the same time, sometimes it's a good thing for society to provide things universally, even if there's no right for everyone to get them.

    Most people agree that universal education, for example, is a good thing. An educated populace is more productive and everyone is better off. But there is no "right" to be given an education.

    The same applies to health care.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pound4abrown View Post
    So then if a gun costs money it can't be a right?
    I kinda like that.
    Exactly. There is no right to be provided with a gun at someone else's expense. I'm pretty sure no one thinks there is.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Only in America could a TV series be made, based on a man who sets up a meth lab in order to pay his hospital bills! It wouldn't have happened with universal healthcare.
    But then we would have been robbed of one of TV's greatest shows of all time.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by vanceen View Post
    Exactly. There is no right to be provided with a gun at someone else's expense. I'm pretty sure no one thinks there is.
    How are you going to "bear" arms if you don't buy it first? His contention was if it costs money it isn't a right.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    NHS admin costs are growing slightly, due to the imposition of "internal markets" between competing "trusts" instead of regional health authorities assessing the needs of the local community and balancing their budgets. Despite that, they are still well below 5%. There are few if any "billing clerks" One of the problems of "health tourism" in a universal system is the unfamiliarity of a charging system. No clinical staff know anything about them and who or where to refer the patient for payment. They just treat the patient, regardless.
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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Do you think publicly funded fire departments are a bad idea, and we need to get rid of them and just privatize them? Only folks who can afford it should have that protection, right?
    You need to get out more often. There are areas in Alaska where there is no fire coverage, unless you pay for a private service. There are no services of any kind, unless you pay for them, and they are definitely private and not public. They are typically found in areas where there are no property taxes. In other parts of Alaska, where they do require property taxes, they also provide some public services, like fire protection.

    So if you happen to live in Alaska where there is no property tax, and if you didn't pay for fire services in advance, there is no fire protection and nobody will respond to a fire on your property. You are entirely on your own.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pound4abrown View Post
    How are you going to "bear" arms if you don't buy it first? His contention was if it costs money it isn't a right.
    "Arms" are not limited to just firearms either. "To keep and bear arms" applies to any portable weapon, from a rock or stick to a Stinger missile.

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    Re: Is healthcare a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pound4abrown View Post
    How are you going to "bear" arms if you don't buy it first? His contention was if it costs money it isn't a right.
    His point was that if something costs money, you don't have a right to have someone provide it for you.

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