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New rules for impeachment procedures

A Grand Jury is a criminal investigation.
Congress doesn't enforce laws.
Impeachment is about public accountability; Congress needs to be public about it.

Are you questioning the validity of grand jury investigations?
 
LOL There is nothing in Ukraine related to the 2016 campaign except the info on Manafort's job there. You think Ukraine should have covered up Manafort's crimes for him? You deny that Manafort was guilty of taking money from Ukrainian oligarchs close to Putin and failed to report it to the IRS?

See--
When the Democrats seek dirt from foreign countries about their political opponents, they yell "Manafort is corrupt."
When the GOP seek dirt from foreign countries about their political opponents, the Democrats yell "Impeach."
 
It is so clear that Trump attempted to extort the Ukraine that his supporters here are stuck arguing over process.

Sad.
 
We need to abolish our foreign operations if we need to be public about our intelligence operations.

Well, if this inquiry is dealing with classified intelligence, then it has a problem.
Its going to be public.
 
It is so clear that Trump attempted to extort the Ukraine that his supporters here are stuck arguing over process.

Sad.

Its true that Trump sought assistance from Ukraine with regards to the ongoing DOJ investigation into the origin of the Russia Probe.
 
It's an investigation, and Republicans have the right to question witnesses. What do you think should be happening?

No they don't the leftist coup is not allowing them to examine witnesses and in fact have kicked people out of these closed door meetings.
they have been caught leaking just some information not all of the information.

there have been no lawyers allowed for any official that has been questioned or any other due process. so you are as usual 100% wrong.
 
Its true that Trump sought assistance from Ukraine with regards to the ongoing DOJ investigation into the origin of the Russia Probe.

Yes

WASHINGTON – The cybersecurity company CrowdStrike was thrust into the national spotlight Wednesday after the summary of a phone call between President Donald Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart showed Trump raised questions about the California-based technology company.

According to the summary released Wednesday, Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to look into an issue involving CrowdStrike during their July 25 conversation.

According to the summary, Trump told Zelensky: “I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.”
...
 
Considering that all we see from Republican Congressmen and women on TV is their babbling on about discredited conspiracy theories, its difficult to imagine what they could bring to the investigation.

Anyone calling for their involvement in the investigation want to make a suggestion?
 
Considering that all we see from Republican Congressmen and women on TV is their babbling on about discredited conspiracy theories, its difficult to imagine what they could bring to the investigation.

Anyone calling for their involvement in the investigation want to make a suggestion?

There are indeed still people clinging to the idea that Trump conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election.
Heck, people who believed that nonsense are even leading impeachment inquiries.
 
See--
When the Democrats seek dirt from foreign countries about their political opponents, they yell "Manafort is corrupt."
When the GOP seek dirt from foreign countries about their political opponents, the Democrats yell "Impeach."

Manafort was not a political opponent when he was first being looked into. That is the first thing. He was just a guy with some shady assed business dealings in Russia. Its not the Democrats fault that Donald Trump decided to make the guy who was being investigated already his campaign manager. The original investigation of Manafort had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Trump. That said, it didnt help matters for them that there was history between the two of them and questions about where Donald was getting his financing over the years.

There are so many differences between what was going on then and the **** Donald tried to pull with Ukraine that there isnt time to cover them all.
 
No they don't the leftist coup is not allowing them to examine witnesses and in fact have kicked people out of these closed door meetings.
they have been caught leaking just some information not all of the information.

there have been no lawyers allowed for any official that has been questioned or any other due process. so you are as usual 100% wrong.

This is made up nonsense
 
Manafort was not a political opponent when he was first being looked into. That is the first thing. He was just a guy with some shady assed business dealings in Russia. Its not the Democrats fault that Donald Trump decided to make the guy who was being investigated already his campaign manager. The original investigation of Manafort had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Trump. That said, it didnt help matters for them that there was history between the two of them and questions about where Donald was getting his financing over the years.

There are so many differences between what was going on then and the **** Donald tried to pull with Ukraine that there isnt time to cover them all.

And Hunter Biden is not Donald Trumps opponent either.

The argument being made is that the Obama Admin put pressure on Ukraine for them to reopen their investigation of Manafort. The purpose would seem to cause political chaos within the campaign of its opponent.
 
See--
When the Democrats seek dirt from foreign countries about their political opponents, they yell "Manafort is corrupt."
When the GOP seek dirt from foreign countries about their political opponents, the Democrats yell "Impeach."

Manafort was not running for office and it was a member of the Ukraine parliament that revealed the ledger that brought him down. He did it to reveal Ukraine corruption.

When a Virginia court convicted Paul Manafort, U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, on charges of tax and bank fraud and concealing foreign bank accounts, a certain Ukrainian politician felt a surge of vindication. Serhiy Leshchenko, a member of the Ukrainian parliament and a former journalist, revealed the existence in 2016 of the so-called “black ledger”—a list of secret payments made by Ukraine’s pro-Russian Party of Regions to Manafort and others. The list detailed the vast sums Manafort earned as a political consultant abroad, some of which he concealed from U.S. authorities. Foreign Policy caught up by phone recently with Leshchenko in Redondo Beach, California, where he is on a swing through U.S. national parks with his family. He talked about his efforts to purge Ukrainian politics of corrupt money, the significance of Manafort’s conviction, and the lingering questions about Manafort’s ties to Moscow.

The Ukrainian Who Sunk Paul Manafort – Foreign Policy
 
A Grand Jury is a criminal investigation.
Congress doesn't enforce laws.
Impeachment is about public accountability; Congress needs to be public about it.

I said this was like a Grand Jury. Congress does not hold Criminal Grand Juries. Republicans are free to ask questions of the witnesses.
 
No, you must not have heard. A Ukrainian whistleblower has submitted clear evidence that Russians in Ukraine conspired with the DNC to corrupt the 2016 election in Hillary's favor. No doubt Trump did hear and that likely factored into his request for more information on American and Ukrainian corruption in the 2016 election.

That is nothing but a evidence free conspiracy theory. Trump is just taking Putin's advice and trying to paint Ukraine as a corrupt nation when in reality the corruption was all by the ousted President who now resides in Moscow. He was the one that paid Manafort over $12 million of Ukraines money.

The Ukrainian Who Sunk Paul Manafort – Foreign Policy
 
Yes, a grand jury is convened before a trial by legitimate due processes and is empaneled to hear solid evidence but to reject dummass partisan biased hearsay. It is abnormal for Schiftt to be the one manufacturing the evidence, creating the whistleblowing reports, empaneling himself to sit as grand jury and to throw out all evidence and testimony which does not support his carefully crafted storyline in support of his already settled guilty verdict.

LOL This inquiry is the opposite of what you and Trump are claiming. They are getting evidence from the proper sources and when they are done you will hear about it.
 
Republicans allowed democrats to openly and fairly participate in the impeachment proceedings against Clinton in 1998. Democrats in the proceedings against Trump have told the republicans to go to hell of they think the democrats will reciprocate by allowing republicans to participate in their closed door unofficial secret impeachment proceedings against Trump.

Here is a grateful word of thanks from democrat John Conyers to republican Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde in 1998:

"You know as well as I," Conyers told Hyde, "that whatever action this committee takes must be fair, it must be bipartisan, for it to have credibility. The American people deserve no less, and history will judge us by how well we achieve that goal."


Sorry, Mr. Conyers, Adam Schitff cannot allow republicans to participate because his case is being built on inaccurate and dishonest twists of evidence for the purpose of achieving the supreme goal of all democrats leading up to the 2020 election: 'Trump must be impeached before he has the chance to stomp the democrat candidate in the 2020 election.'

Democrats have abandoned bipartisan format of Clinton impeachment

Yes, rich white male presidents are victims. We know. :roll:
 
I said this was like a Grand Jury. Congress does not hold Criminal Grand Juries. Republicans are free to ask questions of the witnesses.

An impeachment regards public acts.
Congress needs to hold this in public.
 
Man, you seem pretty sure of some **** that not even Republicans in Congress who have access to more info than you do are trying to pass off as fact.

Do you have anything even close to evidence of the claims you made above?

Just as in the Mueller investigation where all the leaked rumors of clear evidence of Trump/Russian collusion turned out to be lies, so far all the leaks in the Ukraine conspiracy theory are biased reports not backed by actual evidence.
 
But instead you support a platform engineered by a foreign enemy, Russia.

I know what Herr Hillary told you but I question not only her truthfulness but also her sanity.
 
Republicans allowed democrats to openly and fairly participate in the impeachment proceedings against Clinton in 1998. Democrats in the proceedings against Trump have told the republicans to go to hell of they think the democrats will reciprocate by allowing republicans to participate in their closed door unofficial secret impeachment proceedings against Trump.

Republicans have been allowed in all of the interviews so far.

This thread starts with bull**** and doesn't get any better. If you have to lie to defend the absolutely horrendous jackass that you elected president you should reevaluate your motives.
 
Are you questioning the validity of grand jury investigations?

I am. There is no validity to a grand jury investigation where the witnesses are handpicked by Schiftt, coached by Schiftt, subpoenaed by Schiftt and interrogated by Schiftt, all behind closed doors locked by Schiftt.
 
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