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New rules for impeachment procedures

bullseyelqcs said:
Good God man....

Lets put what happened in a context we should all understand....

Imagine for a moment that you want to go on a guys weekend to Vegas, and you talk to your wife about it....this is the conversation that ensues:

You: "Hey honey, the guys want to go to Vegas next month, you okau with that?"

Wifey: "Sure. By the way, the gutters really need to be done before you head out."

Now......if you dont think for 2 seconds that your wife isn't meaning that your trip will be more enjoyable if you manage to get this done before you leave then you really arent as smart as Im giving you credit for.

That is a quid pro quo even though there was no agreement requested.
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I see. You don't have facts but you do have opinions and special help from your preexisting democrat bias in reading between the lines?
 
HumblePi said:
Those same 15 agencies that told Trump that Russia interfered with the 2016 election. But, he asked Putin if he did that, Putin said 'no' so Trump believed him over the 15. The same 15 that said that Mohammad bin Salman was responsible for giving the order to murder Khashoggi but Trump asked him and he said 'no' he wasn't responsible and Trump believed him over the 15.

There has never been any proof that anyone spied on Trump Tower, that's a fantasy created by Trump and Fox News.
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How long were those 15 intelligence agencies spying on Trump for Obama, and if they told Obama that they were seeing Russian interference in our elections process then why did he not appoint a special prosecutor himself to look into those claims? He likely would have sent someone to Ukraine to investigate or might have asked the Ukrainian president himself to look into it. And why did Obama not say anything to Trump about what those agencies had uncovered, if they had actually uncovered matters of national security?
 
marke said:
How can I join you and Hillary in this? Is there some sort of special hat to wear in order to tune into these alien thoughts which must be believed by faith, bias and special democrat logic because they are not supported by actual facts?
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Nope. You already have the hat you're referring to. You can recognize it by the letters MAGA on the top.
 
marke said:
I see. You don't have facts but you do have opinions and special help from your preexisting democrat bias in reading between the lines?
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We have plenty of facts. They are contained in the transcript of the phone call. Common sense tells us the rest.

I really hope you can recognize that....it will help you keep a happy home life. Sometimes what is expected doesnt have to be expressly stated. Apparently everyone in the world but you gets it.

Hell, even Mulvaney admitted it.
 
HumblePi said:
Nope. You already have the hat you're referring to. You can recognize it by the letters MAGA on the top.
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It may seem strange to you that I have never bought a MAGA hat, shirt, bumper sticker, or anything else, and have never attended a Trump rally in my area. Nevertheless I am very pleased with how Trump is handling things in spite of his own frailties and especially in spite of all the unjustified brutal savage barbarian opposition he constantly receives from the demonic party.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
We have plenty of facts. They are contained in the transcript of the phone call. Common sense tells us the rest.

I really hope you can recognize that....it will help you keep a happy home life. Sometimes what is expected doesnt have to be expressly stated. Apparently everyone in the world but you gets it.

Hell, even Mulvaney admitted it.
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Lots of very foolish people have offered their biased interpretations of Trump's remarks on the phone, but those biased remarks are not irrefutable, have no factual basis in truth and can never be used as factual evidence in court or in a trial. If Trump is to be impeached and removed from office then the House will have to charge him with a real crime using factual evidence which will hold up in the court trial in the Senate.
 
marke said:
Republicans allowed democrats to openly and fairly participate in the impeachment proceedings against Clinton in 1998. Democrats in the proceedings against Trump have told the republicans to go to hell of they think the democrats will reciprocate by allowing republicans to participate in their closed door unofficial secret impeachment proceedings against Trump.

Here is a grateful word of thanks from democrat John Conyers to republican Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde in 1998:

"You know as well as I," Conyers told Hyde, "that whatever action this committee takes must be fair, it must be bipartisan, for it to have credibility. The American people deserve no less, and history will judge us by how well we achieve that goal."


Sorry, Mr. Conyers, Adam Schitff cannot allow republicans to participate because his case is being built on inaccurate and dishonest twists of evidence for the purpose of achieving the supreme goal of all democrats leading up to the 2020 election: 'Trump must be impeached before he has the chance to stomp the democrat candidate in the 2020 election.'

Democrats have abandoned bipartisan format of Clinton impeachment
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I'd crash the party and tell them to pound sand if they thought they were going to stop me from attending.
 
marke said:
It may seem strange to you that I have never bought a MAGA hat, shirt, bumper sticker, or anything else, and have never attended a Trump rally in my area. Nevertheless I am very pleased with how Trump is handling things in spite of his own frailties and especially in spite of all the unjustified brutal savage barbarian opposition he constantly receives from the demonic party.
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You wear MAGA on your sleeve.
 
lemmiwinx said:
I see then it's a not a democratic process. At least not when capital 'D' Democrats are running it anyway.
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Have you ever heard of a Grand Jury? That is a fact gathering inquiry just like this is. There is nothing undemocratic about a Grand Jury.
 
marke said:
How long were those 15 intelligence agencies spying on Trump for Obama, and if they told Obama that they were seeing Russian interference in our elections process then why did he not appoint a special prosecutor himself to look into those claims? He likely would have sent someone to Ukraine to investigate or might have asked the Ukrainian president himself to look into it. And why did Obama not say anything to Trump about what those agencies had uncovered, if they had actually uncovered matters of national security?
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LOL There is nothing in Ukraine related to the 2016 campaign except the info on Manafort's job there. You think Ukraine should have covered up Manafort's crimes for him? You deny that Manafort was guilty of taking money from Ukrainian oligarchs close to Putin and failed to report it to the IRS?
 
iguanaman said:
Have you ever heard of a Grand Jury? That is a fact gathering inquiry just like this is. There is nothing undemocratic about a Grand Jury.
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Yes, a grand jury is convened before a trial by legitimate due processes and is empaneled to hear solid evidence but to reject dummass partisan biased hearsay. It is abnormal for Schiftt to be the one manufacturing the evidence, creating the whistleblowing reports, empaneling himself to sit as grand jury and to throw out all evidence and testimony which does not support his carefully crafted storyline in support of his already settled guilty verdict.
 
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marke said:
He should keep secrets which should be kept and he should be open about things which common sense calls for openness.
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Trump is going through a lot of trouble to keep things (that common sense dictates should be transparent) hidden.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL There is nothing in Ukraine related to the 2016 campaign except the info on Manafort's job there. You think Ukraine should have covered up Manafort's crimes for him? You deny that Manafort was guilty of taking money from Ukrainian oligarchs close to Putin and failed to report it to the IRS?
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No, you must not have heard. A Ukrainian whistleblower has submitted clear evidence that Russians in Ukraine conspired with the DNC to corrupt the 2016 election in Hillary's favor. No doubt Trump did hear and that likely factored into his request for more information on American and Ukrainian corruption in the 2016 election.
 
marke said:
Lots of very foolish people have offered their biased interpretations of Trump's remarks on the phone, but those biased remarks are not irrefutable, have no factual basis in truth and can never be used as factual evidence in court or in a trial. If Trump is to be impeached and removed from office then the House will have to charge him with a real crime using factual evidence which will hold up in the court trial in the Senate.
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too bad the right wing seems, true witness bearing challenged.
 
marke said:
Yes, a grand jury is convened before a trial by legitimate due processes and is empaneled to hear solid evidence but to reject dummass partisan biased hearsay. It is abnormal for Schiftt to be the one manufacturing the evidence, creating the whistleblowing reports, empaneling himself to sit as grand jury and to throw out all evidence and testimony which does not support his carefully crafted storyline in support of his already settled guilty verdict.
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Man, you seem pretty sure of some **** that not even Republicans in Congress who have access to more info than you do are trying to pass off as fact.

Do you have anything even close to evidence of the claims you made above?
 
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laffriot!!!
 
It's getting worse.

Now the House Dems won't even allow members of the committees holding the hearings to read the transcripts of the hearings.



Thanks to the House Dems, we now have our very own version of the "Star Chamber".

Star Chamber

noun

a former court of inquisitorial and criminal jurisdiction in England that sat without a jury and that became noted for its arbitrary methods and severe punishments, abolished 1641.

any tribunal, committee, or the like, which proceeds by arbitrary or unfair methods.

Star chamber | Definition of Star chamber at Dictionary.com
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marke said:
I am not ashamed to admit that I do not support the socialist democrat platform or agenda.
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But instead you support a platform engineered by a foreign enemy, Russia.
 
HumblePi said:
Those same 15 agencies that told Trump that Russia interfered with the 2016 election. But, he asked Putin if he did that, Putin said 'no' so Trump believed him over the 15. The same 15 that said that Mohammad bin Salman was responsible for giving the order to murder Khashoggi but Trump asked him and he said 'no' he wasn't responsible and Trump believed him over the 15.

There has never been any proof that anyone spied on Trump Tower, that's a fantasy created by Trump and Fox News.
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Those same agencies thought Trump had conspired with Russia in its efforts.
There does seem be a bit of a justification for skepticism by the president.
 
iguanaman said:
Have you ever heard of a Grand Jury? That is a fact gathering inquiry just like this is. There is nothing undemocratic about a Grand Jury.
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A Grand Jury is a criminal investigation.
Congress doesn't enforce laws.
Impeachment is about public accountability; Congress needs to be public about it.
 
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