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ocean515 said:
The cost of college is an effective filter that weeds out losers, and makes a college degree something of value to prospective employers.
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So because someone can’t afford college they are a loser? Wow man, just wow.
 
Acadia said:
I watched a young boy with his Bernie Bro Dad. The young boy was all for Bernie in 2015, too. When he was all of 6. Now his father beams with pride as his son parrots the party line about getting free college. Gee, when he grows up, he'll be a sponge off the system. Proud Papa! He can retire early as the middle class bears the burden of his son's CHOICE.
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How is earning money, contributing to the economy and paying taxes a 'sponge off the system'? Explain, (after you've thought things through for a while).
 
Logical1 said:
FYI I have an associate degree in electronic. I worked in the electronics industry for 47 years before retiring. I paid my own way. I started out in electronics in the Navy and the rest was paid by the GI bill.

From your post I guess we can put you down with the something for nothing crowd. The one where the OTHER GUY foots the bill.
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Money for nothing, get your chicks for free.;)

I salute you, sir, for your service and establishing a solid service career. You built that yourself and you make Americans proud. You've sacrificed for your country, you've been rewarded from Uncle Sam, and you made the decision to support yourself and be a productive and responsible member of society.
 
snakestretcher said:
How is earning money, contributing to the economy and paying taxes a 'sponge off the system'? Explain, (after you've thought things through for a while).
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How does one even ask this in response to my self-evident post? See, this is the Common Core at work, folks!
 
Luther said:
So you and many of you have hand guns?


Why do you have so many knife attacks than gun attacks?

Why?
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Well that’s an interesting thing. Shotguns and rifles are allowed, handguns aren’t.

So with rifles and shotguns legal, but gun violence down and people are using more knives it seems you have made the argument for gun control against hand guns.
 
Praxas said:
So because someone can’t afford college they are a loser? Wow man, just wow.
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Where there is a will, there is a way. I paid for college out of pocket. I worked 3 jobs at times. I lived with 4 roommates. I graduated debt free with an MBA.

So it may be hard to do, but it can be done.

Why should taxpayers pay for someone's education when the odds are, they won't use it?

The country needs engineers, etc., to build, design, and create the infrastructure of tomorrow.

I would have less trouble underwriting college tuition for people pursuing those degrees, than I would pursing some likely worthless liberal arts degree.
 
Luther said:
Absolutely

I have brought these points up many times as well

I'm not so sure it is Gov that is responsible, I say it's has more to do with our citizenry


No one is stopping our citizenry to become a Tech or a Doc
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The cost is stopping many. That’s the point. I’m even willing to concede that it not be open to just any 4 year degree and that can be debated as to what fields and even opening up trade schools would be good, but investing in our education is far better than investing in wars.
 
Logical1 said:
Well how about the fact my associate degree allowed to be a successful member of the tax paying society. It was far more valuable than a degree in gender studies that some of the young and foolish are sucked into. They end up with a huge college debt and find no one will hire the. They are the fools that the old joke "do you want fries with that burger' was talking about.

IMO unless you go to college for a needed specific degree for something like doctor, lawyer, engineer, teacher or the like, you are wasting your time in college. Going to college just to say you went to college and get a degree in "fine arts" really only means you went to a lot of parties, drank a lot of beer, and ran up a huge college debt for nothing.
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Liberal Arts courses are great to round out college degrees. But when the entire entry-level or advanced degree is predicated on soft sciences and political resistance, I'm not paying for it! You are not going to be a productive member of society with an M.S. in Menstrual Studies.
 
Why not go after universities and colleges to cut their costs? Why not go after that corruption? Books are right up there with Pharma with unruly costs! Why? Tenure needs to go as much as lifetime appointments to Congress! Further, many states have excellent community college to state college programs which greatly reduce costs. This model should be expanded.
What we don't need is more Elizabeth Warrens getting paid 400K to teach ONE CLASS!
 
Praxas said:
The cost is stopping many. That’s the point. I’m even willing to concede that it not be open to just any 4 year degree and that can be debated as to what fields and even opening up trade schools would be good, but investing in our education is far better than investing in wars.
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The cost is stopping many.
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No, not everyone wants to go for that many years ? But, like all college cost is an issue(agreed)

11 to 14 years? Holy ****!

It takes 11-14 years to become a doctor in the United States, including earning a bachelor's degree, attending 4 years of medical school, and completing a 3- to 7-year residency program after medical school. After residency, doctors may apply for a state license to practice medicine.
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Requirements to Become a Doctor in the U.S.
 
JackA said:
"Free college" isn't free ice cream. It is society paying for self betterment. Other countries have discovered its benefit.
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Yup its wonderful when the OTHER GUY pays.
 
Praxas said:
The biggest fear a government has is an educated populace. Do you ever infer why we have import workers for technical and medical fields? Why is educating our populace such a bad thing?
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Boy, does this fly in the face of open borders and importing poverty and profound lack of education! The Left has a narrative for everything that services their cause, don't they?
 
A few points here, so far. Nothing wrong with someone saying they’ll vote for a candidate that promises an education paid by taxes that they must still work to achieve and society benefits for having someone that better meets business demand for qualified employees and be a productive citizen that better contributes to society for having that education. That’s a little different than with someone voting for a candidate that promises free money, and a whole lot of it, that they did nothing for and don’t have to do anything with but line their own pockets even though part of the promise was that giving money to the rich and large corps would benefit society. There is also something wrong with promising a 10% tax cut to the average worker and then, poof, no tax cut.

To do with the average American, GDP and wealth have no relationship that is much shared, at all. As our GDP improves and per capita GDP (or wealth) goes up, the avg. American gets none of that. The rich and large corps do. How else do you explain a per cap GDP that rises above inflation while worker income does not?

The main point being that as given in the first paragraph, the OP is refuted.
 
Acadia said:
Boy, does this fly in the face of open borders and importing poverty and profound lack of education! The Left has a narrative for everything that services their cause, don't they?
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And the right can only deflect like the corporatist worshipping greedy assholes they are.
 
ocean515 said:
Where there is a will, there is a way. I paid for college out of pocket. I worked 3 jobs at times. I lived with 4 roommates. I graduated debt free with an MBA.

So it may be hard to do, but it can be done.

Why should taxpayers pay for someone's education when the odds are, they won't use it?

The country needs engineers, etc., to build, design, and create the infrastructure of tomorrow.

I would have less trouble underwriting college tuition for people pursuing those degrees, than I would pursing some likely worthless liberal arts degree.
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The leftists want everyone else to pay for their choices. I also worked 2 jobs through college. Part time, full time. I made sure to support myself to the greatest extent possible. Of course, I had student loans to pay off, too. And believe me, I didn't bitch about it like AOC, who's making 7-fold what I was making!
 
ocean515 said:
The cost of college is an effective filter that weeds out losers, and makes a college degree something of value to prospective employers.
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But only if they can be deprogramed from the radical left wing indoctrination they got in college.
 
Acadia said:
Why not go after universities and colleges to cut their costs? Why not go after that corruption? Books are right up there with Pharma with unruly costs! Why? Tenure needs to go as much as lifetime appointments to Congress! Further, many states have excellent community college to state college programs which greatly reduce costs. This model should be expanded.
What we don't need is more Elizabeth Warrens getting paid 400K to teach ONE CLASS!
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Bingo!

The Indoctrination/Higher Education Complex is one of the greatest scams in the last 50 years. These institutions are ripping off students, and charging whatever they want, while taking advantage of immature students who don't know any better.

How is it possible to allow some young person to borrow $30-$100k, with no assets whatsoever? They end up enslaved for 30+ years as a result.

And the institutions walk away with the money, no harm to them. A massive windfall.

Student debt is something like $1.6 trillion. That means colleges and universities have received $1.6 trillion and they have no obligation to deliver anything of value, and have no obligation to ensure the product they sell will perform as advertised.

Stop the flow of free money, and these institutions will be forced to offer something of value, rather than worthless BS they can use to extract dollars from people who shouldn't be there in the first place.
 
Mach said:
I accept your forfeiture. You could answer that simple question at any time.
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So you edit out everything else I posted, to create this post?

How could you even type "forfeiture" when you've done that?

Do you want to engage in conversation with someone, or is there some other objective you operate from?
 
Logical1 said:
FYI I have an associate degree in electronic. I worked in the electronics industry for 47 years before retiring. I paid my own way. I started out in electronics in the Navy and the rest was paid by the GI bill.

From your post I guess we can put you down with the something for nothing crowd. The one where the OTHER GUY foots the bill.
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So the taxpayers paid for your education...
 
Logical1 said:
But only if they can be deprogramed from the radical left wing indoctrination they got in college.
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That is a problem. However, I think it's been exacerbated by the flow of money into the institutions who are ripping their student off.

Seems to me the liberal Professors and adjuncts who actually "teach" would have no hope in the private business world. The old "if you can't do, teach" axiom.

Once the money tap is turn down, these worthless indoctrinators will likely struggle to stay in place.

As it is, the students don't have a connection to reality, so they don't much care that they are spending $3k or more for a class that is just ideological BS. If they had to work for that $3k, and pay out of pocket, they would likely be more discerning.
 
snakestretcher said:
And what's wrong with investing in educating for the future, and why should we burden our future professionals with decades of debt from student loans? You never went to university did you, that much is painfully obvious or you wouldn't be whining as you do in just about every post. Whine, whine ****ing whine.
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Who should we burden the costs to educate people with and why?

You called it an investment?, which I dont disagree with, but what is it an investment for?

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JackA said:
"Free college" isn't free ice cream. It is society paying for self betterment. Other countries have discovered its benefit.
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What benefits do these other countries enjoy that we dont have?

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Praxas said:
The biggest fear a government has is an educated populace. Do you ever infer why we have import workers for technical and medical fields? Why is educating our populace such a bad thing?
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So why do you want to hand over the financial power over education over to the government?

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