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How come Norway gets to buy cadillac universal healthcare for its people and the US can't?

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Maybe because the US is maxed out on credit and Norway isn't? Norway has a yearly budget surplus of +14% of GDP. The US has a negative surplus of -6.8% of GDP and getting worse every year.
 
marke said:
Maybe the US is maxed out on credit and Norway isn't. Norway has a yearly budget surplus of +14% of GDP. The US has a negative surplus of -6.8% of GDP and getting worse every year.
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It's time to tell the US Lady Liberty to cut up her credit cards and stop spending money we don't have. The US went broke a long time ago and it's time Americans wake up and start dealing with the debt.
 
marke said:
Maybe because the US is maxed out on credit and Norway isn't? Norway has a yearly budget surplus of +14% of GDP. The US has a negative surplus of -6.8% of GDP and getting worse every year.
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There's also the fact that we subsidize their military defense, which saves them a lot of money.

Plus Norway is full of Norwegians. I'm sure that helps too.
 
marke said:
Maybe because the US is maxed out on credit and Norway isn't? Norway has a yearly budget surplus of +14% of GDP. The US has a negative surplus of -6.8% of GDP and getting worse every year.
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Y'all write this down: the day Marke admitted that he was a socialist.

Thank you, Jesus (who was also a socialist).
 
Risky Thicket said:
Y'all write this down: the day Marke admitted that he was a socialist.

Thank you, Jesus (who was also a socialist).
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Bernie claims Pocahontas is a capitalist and that he is a socialist. I don't agree with either of them. Stalin was a socialist and Hitler was a socialist. Maybe socialism is the result of old age.
 
the US can have better universal health care. we just need to reprioritize and do it.
 
marke said:
Bernie claims Pocahontas is a capitalist and that he is a socialist. I don't agree with either of them. Stalin was a socialist and Hitler was a socialist. Oh and Bernie is a centrist and not a socialist. Maybe socialism is the result of old age.
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Stalin and Hitler were not socialists. Just because you call yourself something does not make it so. You can say you are a potato but you are not because at least you can type. It might help to actually study up on socialism and find out what it is.
 
marke said:
How come Norway gets to buy cadillac universal healthcare for its people and the US can't?.
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Because Norway does not have a swath of Neanderthal like fly over population like the USA is burdened with.
 
marke said:
Bernie claims Pocahontas is a capitalist and that he is a socialist. I don't agree with either of them. Stalin was a socialist and Hitler was a socialist. Maybe socialism is the result of old age.
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Marke, you are an intelligent man. Surely you must agree that capitalism is represented by a spectrum of economic forms. There is no one form of capitalism. Take, for example, predatory capitalism. I don't believe you support predatory capitalism though it is a form of capitalism. Was Jesus a predatory capitalist? Would he have supported predatory capitalism? I think not, though I'd be happy to hear your reasoned defense of Jesus as a predatory capitalist.

If I stated that Jesus was capitalist thinking that Jesus supported the enrichment of a few at the cost of longterm suffering of many would I be correct? No, I don't think you'd support that. But you must admit that predatory capitalism is capitalism under your broad view. How then, using your apparent definition is there only one form of capitalism (all good seemingly in your perspective) and only one form of socialism, all bad?

Trump is very similar to Jesus in your eyes. Both capitalists and both Godly. Right?

Bernie Sanders is very similar to Adolf Hitler in your eyes. Both are Nazis. Right?

If I am wrong, please tell me how.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
U.S. Health Care Spending Highest Among Developed Countries

Well, maybe if we adopter a healthcare system more like Norway's we too could have a surplus.
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I don't think it is as easy as adoption. Norway had to pay more than $6,000 per person for their government healthcare for which they taxed Norwegians 10% more than the US taxes its wage earners. I think Pocahontas knows this which is why she is keeping secret about how much she plans to raise taxes on the middle class in order to buy expensive universal healthcare for every legal and illegal bum in the country.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Stalin and Hitler were not socialists. Just because you call yourself something does not make it so. You can say you are a potato but you are not because at least you can type. It might help to actually study up on socialism and find out what it is.
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I'll let all the fake white minority women of color and fake Mexican nationals along with the real homosexuals and baby killers on the democrat ticket decide among themselves what kind of socialists they are wanting to claim to be. I am a capitalist so I am not a socialist by any definition.
 
marke said:
I'll let all the fake white minority women of color and fake Mexican nationals along with the real homosexuals and baby killers on the democrat ticket decide among themselves what kind of socialists they are wanting to claim to be. I am a capitalist so I am not a socialist by any definition.
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Well this is good you admit to being a Capitalist I hope you know what that is better than you know what socialists are.
 
Marke, Jesus was a capitalist? What was his net worth when they killed him?
 
noonereal said:
Because Norway does not have a swath of Neanderthal like fly over population like the USA is burdened with.
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Good point. Roughly 4 in 10 children of immigrants in Norway live in poverty, while less than 1 in 200 native Norwegian children are poor. In America, there are tens of millions of immigrants and an estimated 70% of their children live in poverty. Aside from children of immigrants it is also estimated that 2 in 10 children of American citizens live in poverty. America has one of the highest poverty rates of any developed nation, and it is because the US government does not spend money wisely in seeking to address the issue of poverty.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Marke, you are an intelligent man. Surely you must agree that capitalism is represented by a spectrum of economic forms. There is no one form of capitalism. Take, for example, predatory capitalism. I don't believe you support predatory capitalism though it is a form of capitalism. Was Jesus a predatory capitalist? Would he have supported predatory capitalism? I think not, though I'd be happy to hear your reasoned defense of Jesus as a predatory capitalist.
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One point clearly taught by Jesus designed to address poverty was his command that if men don't work then they should not be allowed to eat.

If I stated that Jesus was capitalist thinking that Jesus supported the enrichment of a few at the cost of longterm suffering of many would I be correct?
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Jesus never blamed the poverty of the poor on the prosperity of the rich, aside from unethical business practices where the rich specifically cheat the poor out of money that is theirs by right. Capitalism also frowns upon corrupt and unlawful, immoral, and unethical business practices.

No, I don't think you'd support that. But you must admit that predatory capitalism is capitalism under your broad view.
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By your definition of predatory capitalism honest capitalists also oppose predatory capitalism.
 
marke said:
Good point. Roughly 4 in 10 children of immigrants in Norway live in poverty, while less than 1 in 200 native Norwegian children are poor. In America, there are tens of millions of immigrants and an estimated 70% of their children live in poverty. Aside from children of immigrants it is also estimated that 2 in 10 children of American citizens live in poverty. America has one of the highest poverty rates of any developed nation, and it is because the US government does not spend money wisely in seeking to address the issue of poverty.
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It just depends on what you consider to be "spending wisely".

For example, some think giving billionaires multi-million dollar tax breaks was a wise thing to do.
 
Risky Thicket said:
But you must admit that predatory capitalism is capitalism under your broad view. How then, using your apparent definition is there only one form of capitalism (all good seemingly in your perspective) and only one form of socialism, all bad?
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I support capitalism which operates under civilized rules of decency, fairness, honesty, kindness and other Christian attributes. I do not support any corruption which is falsely branded capitalism and I do not support socialism no matter how decent it is portrayed.

Trump is very similar to Jesus in your eyes. Both capitalists and both Godly. Right?
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That is so wrong it is stupid.

Bernie Sanders is very similar to Adolf Hitler in your eyes. Both are Nazis. Right?
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Bernie is deluded in thinking his very bad policies are good. Hitler was also deceived into thinking his wicked ideas were good.

If I am wrong, please tell me how.
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We continue to try to help any way we can.
 
JustHanging said:
It just depends on what you consider to be "spending wisely".

For example, some think giving billionaires multi-million dollar tax breaks was a wise thing to do.
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The government does not really "give" tax breaks. It assesses taxes and gives nothing in return. It may assess high levels of taxes or low levels of taxes, but it gives no taxes or actual money to taxpayers by lowering tax rates. Congressional leaders have set higher levels of taxation on some forms of income and wealth at times and then lowered those levels at other times for specific reasons. Anyone neglecting to adequately explain why Congress has lowered taxes at different times is not being entirely honest.

Experts in fiscal matters may debte among themselves as to what tax levels and policies work best, but there is no doubt among the majority that taxing people or businesses at too high a rate will damage the economy just as assuredly as setting the tax levels too low. I think Elizabeth Warren is well aware that she will have to raise taxes on all working Americans is she actually tries to install her plan for universal healthcare. I don't admire her for allowing people to think she has no intention of raising taxes but I do admire her for showing that she understands if she is to deliver free healthcare to all then it is going to cost all Americans a great deal from unavoidable universal tax hikes.

Other democrats either don't know that or they simply lie by saying it will not cause a raise in middle class taxes when they know better.
 
marke said:
The government does not really "give" tax breaks. It assesses taxes and gives nothing in return.
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Oh, really? You don't have a fire department? Or a police department? No public schools? No roads? No sewer system?

We all have to pay for that. If they government keeps lowering taxes to one segment of the population, then they have to collect more from the other segments of the population. As Trump helped pass a huge tax cut for billionaires, he will save tens of millions of dollars. So now someone else has to pay those tens of millions of dollars. Like the families whose children die because apparently the USA can't afford a proper healthcare system.

but I do admire her for showing that she understands if she is to deliver free healthcare to all then it is going to cost all Americans a great deal from unavoidable universal tax hikes.
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Actually you will likely end up saving money. Americans spend almost twice what Canadians spend on healthcare, for poorer outcomes. Americans spend almost twice what nearly ever other Western democracy pays for healthcare.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
Stalin and Hitler were not socialists. Just because you call yourself something does not make it so. You can say you are a potato but you are not because at least you can type. It might help to actually study up on socialism and find out what it is.
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I call myself a MAGA cultist even though I want Trump and all Republicans deported to a desert island. Fite me right wingers
 
JustHanging said:
Oh, really? You don't have a fire department? Or a police department? No public schools? No roads? No sewer system?
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Government services paid for by taxation is a capitalist concept as well

We all have to pay for that. If they government keeps lowering taxes to one segment of the population, then they have to collect more from the other segments of the population.
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Unless spending goes down. Also if raising taxes too high or lowering taxes too low lowers economic activity and threatens economic hardships then the taxes must be returned to normal for optimal results.

As Trump helped pass a huge tax cut for billionaires, he will save tens of millions of dollars.
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A dictator setting tax rates is not a capitalist idea, it is socialist. In the American capitalist system Congress sets the tax policies, not the president.

So now someone else has to pay those tens of millions of dollars. Like the families whose children die because apparently the USA can't afford a proper healthcare system.
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It is a wild stretch to claim children are dying because Congress does not charge Americans enough in taxes and does not go into even greater debt through credit spending on Cadillac healthcare plans it cannot afford.

Actually you will likely end up saving money. Americans spend almost twice what Canadians spend on healthcare, for poorer outcomes. Americans spend almost twice what nearly ever other Western democracy pays for healthcare.
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Americans do spend money on healthcare and on other things using money left over after paying their taxes. Under Obamacare private healthcare was eliminated and replaced with a government healthcare policy which was much more expensive and a lot less desirable and which turned out to be a tax which was monitored and assessed like any other tax by the IRS.
 
marke said:
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Jesus never blamed the poverty of the poor on the prosperity of the rich, aside from unethical business practices where the rich specifically cheat the poor out of money that is theirs by right. Capitalism also frowns upon corrupt and unlawful, immoral, and unethical business practices....
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Only because it's regulated.
 
marke said:
Maybe because the US is maxed out on credit and Norway isn't? Norway has a yearly budget surplus of +14% of GDP. The US has a negative surplus of -6.8% of GDP and getting worse every year.
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People like you are specifically the reason we can't have that. You actively fight against the US having cheap and high quality healthcare. When you start admitting to yourself and to your representatives that we want affordable universal healthcare we might have a chance of getting it.

marke said:
I don't think it is as easy as adoption. Norway had to pay more than $6,000 per person for their government healthcare for which they taxed Norwegians 10% more than the US taxes its wage earners. I think Pocahontas knows this which is why she is keeping secret about how much she plans to raise taxes on the middle class in order to buy expensive universal healthcare for every legal and illegal bum in the country.
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This is a LIE. All expenses considered, Norway pays DRAMATICALLY LESS per capita for Healthcare than we do. The system costs less than ours, not more. There are no secret taxes or tricks.
 
marke said:
Maybe because the US is maxed out on credit and Norway isn't? Norway has a yearly budget surplus of +14% of GDP. The US has a negative surplus of -6.8% of GDP and getting worse every year.
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Norway is a NATO country

It's amazing what you can do when you have a "Big Brother" in your corner like the U.S. to protect your ass

And it's also stupid of the U.S. to protect them
 
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