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    PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    School Security Officer Fired for Repeating Racial Slur Aimed at Him - The New York Times

    A security guard who has being called a derogatory term (N**g*r) by a student for a few days, finally being feed up he told the student to stop calling him a N**g*r and lost his job because of the school district having a zero tolerance policy of staff using such words. This thread isnít about what punishment the student should of received, thatís a separate issue. I want to focus on should the security guard have lost his job for violating the schools policy? I say no, just as I didnít think the VA teacher should of lost his job for refusing to use a pronoun against school policy.

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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    School Security Officer Fired for Repeating Racial Slur Aimed at Him - The New York Times

    A security guard who has been called a derogatory term (N**g*r) by a student for a few days, finally being fed up he told the student to stop calling him a N**g*r and lost his job because of the school district having a zero-tolerance policy of staff using such words. This thread isn’t about what punishment the student should of received, that’s a separate issue. I want to focus on should the security guard have lost his job for violating the schools policy? I say no, just as I didn’t think the VA teacher should of lost his job for refusing to use a pronoun against school policy.
    Zero tolerance policies are almost bad because they don't allow for situations.

    That is very stupid. The student should be disciplined for the use of the racist epiphet. The security guard was wrong for addressing the student himself in public instead of having someone from the school administration do it in private but it isn't to the point that he should lose his job.
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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    Zero tolerance policies have become crutches for suspension of critical thought, the idea of 'politically correct' thinking impacting this has in fact amplified the problem and in practice means intention and situation are intentionally ignored.

    The security guard was in the wrong here, there were better ways to handle that of course but in the end the policy has nothing to do with helping those involved but rather sweeping the whole thing under the rug of 'go away.'
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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Zero tolerance policies have become crutches for suspension of critical thought, the idea of 'politically correct' thinking impacting this has in fact amplified the problem and in practice means intention and situation are intentionally ignored.

    The security guard was in the wrong here, there were better ways to handle that of course but in the end the policy has nothing to do with helping those involved but rather sweeping the whole thing under the rug of 'go away.'
    I generally agree, but the guard shouldnt be fired for just repeating the slur directed at him- thats just idiotic.

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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    Zero tolerance policies are almost bad because they don't allow for situations.

    That is very stupid. The student should be disciplined for the use of the racist epiphet. The security guard was wrong for addressing the student himself in public instead of having someone from the school administration do it in private but it isn't to the point that he should lose his job.
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    Zero-tolerance policies are solutions that look for problems. As you said, they do not allow for an examination of all the facts.
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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I generally agree, but the guard shouldnt be fired for just repeating the slur directed at him- thats just idiotic.
    I agree, I am not sure the guard should be fired. Our issue is the event itself caused the zero tolerance policy to kick in, I suspect more to the story that will never really matter exclusively because of the policy.

    That is a real problem.
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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

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    That is very stupid.
    No, it's very progressive.

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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    The kid was the instigator, and certainly should be punished, but they are a child and we don't hold then responsible for their acts like we do adults. Maybe we should, but we don't.

    On the other side, the adult school security guard should be able to hold his temper when harassed by a child. Failing to do that is a sign that he's not cut out for the job. Pushing the limits is what children do. If you are going to overreact to that, you should work elsewhere.

    I don't care for zero tolerance in general, but in this case I see that loss of temper as also a valid reason to let him go.
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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    School Security Officer Fired for Repeating Racial Slur Aimed at Him - The New York Times

    A security guard who has being called a derogatory term (N**g*r) by a student for a few days, finally being feed up he told the student to stop calling him a N**g*r and lost his job because of the school district having a zero tolerance policy of staff using such words. This thread isnít about what punishment the student should of received, thatís a separate issue. I want to focus on should the security guard have lost his job for violating the schools policy? I say no, just as I didnít think the VA teacher should of lost his job for refusing to use a pronoun against school policy.
    ďSo if the class is reading ĎTo Kill a Mockingbirdí and the teacher is reading the book out loud and it gets to the part where the N-word is, the teacher gets fired?Ē Mr. Anderson asked.
    He got a point there. Anyway he will get the job back.
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    Re: PC zero tolerance gone to far?

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    No, it's very progressive.
    But not regressive?
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