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    I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

    I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants. He has decimated our ability to gain trustworthy allies.

    If Americans feel this way about what Trump has turned our country into, how will people in the Middle East feel? People who have better weapons and less reason for restraint than pissed off Americans sitting in our comfortable homes feel.

    Trump has done so much damage to our national security. He has fortified the recruitment of the next generation of jihadists and criminal gangs on multiple continents with nothing to lose and every reason to hate us.
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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants. He has decimated our ability to gain trustworthy allies.

    If Americans feel this way about what Trump has turned our country into, how will people in the Middle East feel? People who have better weapons and less reason for restraint than pissed off Americans sitting in our comfortable homes feel.

    Trump has done so much damage to our national security. He has fortified the recruitment of the next generation of jihadists and criminal gangs on multiple continents with nothing to lose and every reason to hate us.
    For the first time in history, the Leftists give a rat's ass about the Kurds. This is so fake.
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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants. He has decimated our ability to gain trustworthy allies.

    If Americans feel this way about what Trump has turned our country into, how will people in the Middle East feel? People who have better weapons and less reason for restraint than pissed off Americans sitting in our comfortable homes feel.

    Trump has done so much damage to our national security. He has fortified the recruitment of the next generation of jihadists and criminal gangs on multiple continents with nothing to lose and every reason to hate us.
    So, do you suggest we go in with out military and carve out a country for them? A bit of Iraq, a slice of Turkey, and portion of Syria, and dare the three countries to try and throw us off that hill?
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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

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    So, do you suggest we go in with out military and carve out a country for them? A bit of Iraq, a slice of Turkey, and portion of Syria, and dare the three countries to try and throw us off that hill?
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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

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    So, do you suggest we go in with out military and carve out a country for them? A bit of Iraq, a slice of Turkey, and portion of Syria, and dare the three countries to try and throw us off that hill?
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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants. He has decimated our ability to gain trustworthy allies.

    If Americans feel this way about what Trump has turned our country into, how will people in the Middle East feel? People who have better weapons and less reason for restraint than pissed off Americans sitting in our comfortable homes feel.

    Trump has done so much damage to our national security. He has fortified the recruitment of the next generation of jihadists and criminal gangs on multiple continents with nothing to lose and every reason to hate us.
    Rumor has it that a cease fire/de-escalation is currently in the works between the parties.

    Sounds promising. Let's give it a couple of days and see how it turns out.


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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

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    Rumor has it that a cease fire/de-escalation is currently in the works between the parties.

    Sounds promising. Let's give it a couple of days and see how it turns out.

    The cease fire is the Trump administration displacing the Kurds from their homes and handing Turkey the land they want without them having to even fight for it. And then Trump withdraws sanctions after the Kurds are sent packing.

    That's the plan I read. Did you read anything different?


    As I said, Trump giving Ergodan everything he wants, at less cost to Turkish forces than they would have had to pay if Trump hadn't handed it to them on a silver platter.
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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    The cease fire is the Trump administration displacing the Kurds from their homes and handing Turkey the land they want without them having to even fight for it. And then Trump withdraws sanctions after the Kurds are sent packing.

    That's the plan I read. Did you read anything different?


    As I said, Trump giving Ergodan everything he wants, at less cost to Turkish forces than they would have had to pay if Trump hadn't handed it to them on a silver platter.

    Just going by some headlines i read on the topic. Weren't a lot of details but it certainly wasn't as bleak as the picture you are painting.

    Where are/were you getting your information?


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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds in America's name. Trump has given Ergodan everything he wants. He has decimated our ability to gain trustworthy allies.

    If Americans feel this way about what Trump has turned our country into, how will people in the Middle East feel? People who have better weapons and less reason for restraint than pissed off Americans sitting in our comfortable homes feel.

    Trump has done so much damage to our national security. He has fortified the recruitment of the next generation of jihadists and criminal gangs on multiple continents with nothing to lose and every reason to hate us.
    You may be a rare exception to the pervasive non-interventionist zeitgeist of the US "progressive" but assuming you are this would be "rich" coming from most anyone else on the anti-Trump left.

    During and since the Vietnam war one of the immutable moral touchstones of the left has been opposition to intervention in other countries wars, and opposition to the funding of proxy forces to represent American interests. Be it in Vietnam, Panama, Afghanistan, the Persian Gulf War, or the Iraq War there is ONE consistent mantra: if it hurts America's enemies and helps the US and western security, resources, and strategic interests DON'T intervene and create "endless wars".

    On the other hand, for the same left lobby when no American interests are directly, by all means (e.g. in Kosovo and Libya) then intervene.

    Frankly, I am less than receptive to the cynical flip-flopping on the left, moving from scoffing at Romney that Russia is a threat in 2012 to anti-Russian hysteria in 2018. Nor am I convinced that the progressive left, who could not have cared less about the victims of the Vietnamese re-education camps, the victims of the Sandinista Regime in Nicaragua, the victims of the Chavezita-Maduro dictatorship in Venezuela, or Fidel Castro's victims in Cuba has an OUNCE of loyalty to any proxy group, such as the Kurds, that fought with and for mutual interests.

    Mind you, my conservative and interventionist politics don't change depending on whose in office. I've always admired the Kurds and recognize them as deserving of self-determination of any regional ethnic group. I think Trump, as a paleo-conservative neo-isolationist, is often a fool and his latest needless blunder and blindness to Russia (among other autocrats) is inexcusable.

    But then, unlike the vast majority of Trump haters, my position does not change depending on whose ox is gored.
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    Re: I despise what the Trump administration has done to the Kurds ... how will non-Americans feel?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    So, do you suggest we go in with out military and carve out a country for them? A bit of Iraq, a slice of Turkey, and portion of Syria, and dare the three countries to try and throw us off that hill?
    No, I suggest we don't stab our allies in the back. Where is the honor in that?

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