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Mulvaney said U.S. military aid for Ukraine was held up pending Ukraine’s investigation of Democrats

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jnug said:
He was very clearly defining a quid pro quo just as Sundland has for that matter.
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So what? Quid pro quo is normal business for an administration. Biden did it too.
 
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tacomancer said:
The you don't understand the law either. The FEC has come out and said that this is illegal. :shrug:
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That does not mean the FEC is right. It might mean that is how people interpret the FEC ruling, but so what? Trump was not wrong to ask about corruption in Ukraine no matter how many opinions about opinionated rulings those who don't want Trump asking those kinds of questions come up with.
 
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iguanaman said:
It is pure fairytale, conjecture would mean it was based on a shred of evidence. Mueller indicted the Russians who hacked the DNC and Podesta.
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I bow to your wisdom. Frankly, getting tired of the constant nonsensical yammering of Trumpettes. That was a foul tip on my part.
 
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jnug said:
Really...I suggest you keep more up to date on Rudy's dealings. Those papers he was waving around on Fox claiming them as evidence from Ukraine....came from Firtash, known Putin ally, Ukrainian bad guy, currently under arrest in Austria desperately trying to avoid extradition to the US, not from any Ukraine government authority past or present. Where is the rest of Rudy's horse dung coming from, Scumbag felon Manafort, directly from prison. Firtash was under arrest in Austria at the time and Manafort was already in prison. Where are Rudy's other henchmen, in jail awaiting trial.
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I'm amused that you would call evidence of corruption "horse dung". Probably because you don't want to see Biden being investigated.

In any case, you are becoming boring and repetitive.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
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Mycroft said:
So what? Quid pro quo is normal business for an administration. Biden did it too.
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Biden didn't do it. I already addressed this issue probably not more than a page or two ago and a day ago and a week or two ago and on and on and on.

And quid pro quo for personal political gain IS NOT normal business for an administration and THAT is what Trumpkin was doing.
 
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Mycroft said:
I'm amused that you would call evidence of corruption "horse dung". Probably because you don't want to see Biden being investigated.

In any case, you are becoming boring and repetitive.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
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Your usual white flag of surrender. Thank you. Surrender accepted.
 
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jnug said:
Crowdstrike as part of some grand Dem conspiracy WAS THE CT. This breathtakingly complicated CT with all the twists and turns you would expect from a CT hatched in Bannon's Government Accountability Institute is entirely contrary to all IC assessments. A good CT has to have multiple multi-directional twists and turns so that anyone trying to prove it false ends up pulling their hair out trying. Unfortunately, for DonDon, this one has already been exposed and is in the dustbin of used up CT's except in Trumpkin's head.
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The whole fake Trump/Russian democrat fake conspiracy theory investigation was founded on Crowdstrike's unproven claim that some mysterious unidentified actors in Russia and/or Ukraine hacked the DNC computers. Crowdstrike never named the specific individuals nor did anyone else, including Mueller, so Trump has every right in the book to ask more questions about those mysterious individuals.

If democrats had nothing to do with the corruption in Ukraine then they should have no problem with Trump seeking more information about the corruption the democrats were first to point out.
 
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Lutherf said:
WTF?

You said that all this stuff came from Breitbart and implied that it was all conspiracy stuff. It isn't conspiracy stuff. The DNC did coordinate with the Ukrainian embassy to get dirt on Manafort. It's a matter of public record and the basics of the deal were published long before the current kerfuffle became a thing.
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"Dirt" or evidence of actual crimes? He went to jail for it, right?

You see there's a difference between obtaining evidence and wanting some concocted from whole cloth.

Heavy, that water must be.

There's a little "there there" but nowhere near the there they're trying to say is there.

Just a bunch of spin concocted to feed confirmation bias and try to keep supporters on the reservation.
 
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tacomancer said:
The Trump Impeachment Inquiry: Latest News - The New York Times



Looks like there was an investigation into political rivals after all. I wonder if Sondland going CYA prompted this new stance.
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We've made the loop.

"It was a perfect call! The whistleblower is a phony! Second hand info!"
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"Ok, I asked a foreign power to investigate my political opponents, but no quid pro quo!"
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"Ok, there was a quid pro quo, but that's common, people do it all the time, it's not a big deal. Suck it libs!"
 
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Mycroft said:
I'm amused that you would call evidence of corruption "horse dung". Probably because you don't want to see Biden being investigated.

In any case, you are becoming boring and repetitive.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
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There is no evidence of "corruption" by either Biden or his son. That is why Trump wanted Ukraine to make some up. As well as making up evidence for his looney conspiracy theory that would enable Trump to remove Russians sanctions. Trump is desperate to exonerate Russia so that he has an excuse to lift them. That is Putin's #1 chore for Trump.
 
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Mycroft said:
So what? Quid pro quo is normal business for an administration. Biden did it too.
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Biden is a Democrat and that makes all the difference.
 
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marke said:
The whole fake Trump/Russian democrat fake conspiracy theory investigation was founded on Crowdstrike's unproven claim that some mysterious unidentified actors in Russia and/or Ukraine hacked the DNC computers. Crowdstrike never named the specific individuals nor did anyone else, including Mueller, so Trump has every right in the book to ask more questions about those mysterious individuals.

If democrats had nothing to do with the corruption in Ukraine then they should have no problem with Trump seeking more information about the corruption the democrats were first to point out.
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Sure, that way Trumpkin can try to build another CT atop the first CT.
 
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Lutherf said:
Biden is a Democrat and that makes all the difference.
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Biden didn't do it too. Biden was working in US National Security Interests and with the support of all our European Allies and the World Bank to remove what the world knew to be a monstrous corrupt Chief Prosecutor up to his eyeballs in the same scam that Manafort had been engaged in among other things. Biden ONLY threatened that Obama would withhold aid. Trump actually withheld the aid and he did it in a shake down for his own personal political gain, not a US National Security Interest. Thanks for playing. That is about the twentieth time I have had to post up this same reply, probably ten just today.
 
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Lutherf said:
Biden is a Democrat and that makes all the difference.
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Absurd. stop lying. Biden pushed U.S. foreign policy as a product of inter-agency meetings, Ukranian input, and agreed to by our allies...and he got nothing out of it whatsoever, nor did his son.
Trump used Rudy outside of the state department.
Rudy got tgoether with some Fox news personalities, and 4 felons (Firtash, the two thugs, and Paul Manafort), and got some manufactured dirt to spread on right wing media.

Why don't you know these things Lutherf? Is it because you haven't been exposed to them, or your just believe right wing propaganda because you hate liberals?
 
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What if...? said:
"Dirt" or evidence of actual crimes? He went to jail for it, right?

You see there's a difference between obtaining evidence and wanting some concocted from whole cloth.

Heavy, that water must be.

There's a little "there there" but nowhere near the there they're trying to say is there.

Just a bunch of spin concocted to feed confirmation bias and try to keep supporters on the reservation.
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Manafort is in jail for tax fraud, bank fraud and failing to disclose a foreign bank account. Whether the ledger showed actual crimes or not is immaterial when it comes to the fact that the DNC coordinated with the Ukranian embassy to obtain "dirt" on a political opponent.
 
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jnug said:
Sure, that way Trumpkin can try to build another CT atop the first CT.
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To democrats, false allegations against republicans involving collusion conspiracies are not CTs, but claims of democrat involvement in criminal activities are CTs and shame on anyone who dares to do any investigation at all into those claims.
 
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marke said:
To democrats, false allegations against republicans involving collusion conspiracies are not CTs, but claims of democrat involvement in criminal activities are CTs and shame on anyone who dares to do any investigation at all into those claims.
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This one has been exposed as a CT.

In addition it is not the world's fault that Qanon level political CT's have basically become the exclusive property of the Alt-right, Neo, Trumpettes what have you. You boys are to blame for digging that hole and you dug it all by yourselves.

Its to the point now that all you have to do is learn how to read them. If you see twists and turns and subplots galore, you can just about take it to the bank....its a CT.
 
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marke said:
That does not mean the FEC is right. It might mean that is how people interpret the FEC ruling, but so what? Trump was not wrong to ask about corruption in Ukraine no matter how many opinions about opinionated rulings those who don't want Trump asking those kinds of questions come up with.
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Keep believing what you want in spite of the evidence :shrug:
 
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Mycroft said:
yawn...

If you want a President who does what YOU think he should do...elect one. Trump is the President and he'll do it his way. He's done nothing against the law.
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I am sure you are quite the legal scholar to make that pronunciation

Too bad people who actually know what they are talking about disagree with you
 
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trixare4kids said:
In other words, you cannot refute what I wrote when I said, Trump has the authority to investigate corruption whether his political foes like it or not. All your childish name calling for the POTUS, doesn't change that fact.
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what is the post number where it was asserted the president is without the authority to investigate corruption?
 
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justabubba said:
what is the post number where it was asserted the president is without the authority to investigate corruption?
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I'm off until later tonight... I'll get to addressing your post later.
 
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jnug said:
Biden didn't do it too. Biden was working in US National Security Interests and with the support of all our European Allies and the World Bank to remove what the world knew to be a monstrous corrupt Chief Prosecutor up to his eyeballs in the same scam that Manafort had been engaged in among other things. Biden ONLY threatened that Obama would withhold aid. Trump actually withheld the aid and he did it in a shake down for his own personal political gain, not a US National Security Interest. Thanks for playing. That is about the twentieth time I have had to post up this same reply, probably ten just today.
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Mach said:
Absurd. stop lying. Biden pushed U.S. foreign policy as a product of inter-agency meetings, Ukranian input, and agreed to by our allies...and he got nothing out of it whatsoever, nor did his son.
Trump used Rudy outside of the state department.
Rudy got tgoether with some Fox news personalities, and 4 felons (Firtash, the two thugs, and Paul Manafort), and got some manufactured dirt to spread on right wing media.

Why don't you know these things Lutherf? Is it because you haven't been exposed to them, or your just believe right wing propaganda because you hate liberals?
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So Biden was conducting foreign policy and Trump was....what? He's the president. He gets to conduct foreign policy just like the last administration did.

Trump was dealing with a new administration in Ukraine and it was only prudent that he feel the guy out a little bit before he commits the funds. If he wants to make some of that process about looking into 2016 shenanigans then there's nothing wrong with that.
 
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Lutherf said:
So Biden was conducting foreign policy
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We have record of it. We have numerous people involved. It was reported on. No one factually contested it...ever.
There was no gain for Joe. They worked this through the government, through the state department.

Trump opposed his state department.
Trump went outside the state department and used Rudy, like he use to use Cohen.
Rudy got with 4 felons to cook up ways to enact the efforts to get dirt on the Bidens and the DNC for the 2020.
Even John Bolton asked Fiona Hill to report this as a possible crime.
A whistle-blower reported it twice as a potential crime and as a problem.
Another whistle-blower appears to have agreed.
The transcript backs up with is alleged.
Trump's chief of staff just admitted there was a quid pro quo.

You can't square it Lutherf, because it cannot be squared.
 
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Mach said:
We have record of it. We have numerous people involved. It was reported on. No one factually contested it...ever.
There was no gain for Joe. They worked this through the government, through the state department.

Trump opposed his state department.
Trump went outside the state department and used Rudy, like he use to use Cohen.
Rudy got with 4 felons to cook up ways to enact the efforts to get dirt on the Bidens and the DNC for the 2020.
Even John Bolton asked Fiona Hill to report this as a possible crime.
A whistle-blower reported it twice as a potential crime and as a problem.
Another whistle-blower appears to have agreed.
The transcript backs up with is alleged.
Trump's chief of staff just admitted there was a quid pro quo.

You can't square it Lutherf, because it cannot be squared.
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If Rudy was looking for dirt on Biden he sucked at it. The whole Biden story has been reported and commented on and everything else since something like 2014. Rudy didn't need to go to Ukraine to get the Biden story....and that's not what he was doing.
 
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tacomancer said:
The Trump Impeachment Inquiry: Latest News - The New York Times



Looks like there was an investigation into political rivals after all. I wonder if Sondland going CYA prompted this new stance.
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Total lie from the NYT.

I watched every second of Mulvaney's press conference.

The Liberal media is vile.

The liberal media hack asked about quid pro quo, and Mulvaney rejected the reference explaining how the US holds up money all the time, including a reference to the Triangle Countries.

At the 3:30 mark

 
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