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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    Why don't you understand that you denying collusion makes you lose the little bit of credibility you may have had.

    Colluding was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Nancy for whatever reason chose not to impeach at that point.

    I believe it was because she knew trump would **** himself even more, and he has...

    When the Senate let's him off of all these crimes the american people will respond to the corruption and then the Senate...
    Sorry but those of you still clinging to the collusion narrative have simply descended to the realm of Trutherism at this point.
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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    Ummm a taped confession is absolutely not nothing.

    It is hands down the most incriminating evidence that can be presented...
    That may or may not be true but it wasnt what Obscurity and I were discussing.
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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    As a matter of fact, Sondland wrote the opposite. Sondland wrote he and the career ofcicials like Marie, Fiona, Volker, etc., were indeed focused on U.S. interests including anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.
    In opposition to that, Trump rejected the sound advice from the professional, long-careered state department experts on Ukraine, and instead directed the team to talk to Rudy..which Sondland did not approve of.




    Sondlands believed that since Trump was directing them to Rudy, rather than taking their expert advice, that it put the American-Ukranian relationship at risk. Yes Fletch, that includes all things we are working on with Ukraine, including anti-corruption efforts.
    Sondland is clearly communicating that Trump is not interested in working with Ukraine, unless they go through Rudy...who is pushing for the dirt on Biden. Which simplifies to: Trump won't work through normal state department process on anti-corruption with Ukraine, unless he gets dirt on Biden via Rudy's push.

    It's all there for you Fletch, you just can't read.


    We do know that's true, Sondland is just being diplomatic...the facts support that Rudy's agenda included just that.

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    What Sondland is writing, is that he was not aware of Trump, and Rudy's efforts to pressure Ukraine specifically to help Trump in the 2020, as he worked with only brief interaction with Rudy. In his only brief interaction with Rudy on this, Rudy did in fact push the 2020 election dirt on Biden and the DNC/Crowdstrike issue, as important concerns to require before getting a meeting with the U.S. Of course, we now know from other sources that's exactly what happened, Rudy tried to insert Trump's desire explicitly for help in the 2020 in the form of dirt on Biden and DNC, in return for that meeting. Fortunately career officials working it, along with Ukraine, slow-walked this and eventually tabled it...they did not comply with Trump's solicitation.

    Anyone can read that he did NOT ever specifically claim that "Trump was interested in corruption". Well, implicitly he does seem to indicate Trump WAS interested in corrupting the process...but I assume you didn't mean that, even though it's a correct interpretation.
    I appreciate the reply and it seems you are reading more into it than I am. Perhaps you are right. The only way we can know for sure is for him to be asked direct questions about it. Unfortunately, we dont get to hear what he has to say in that regard.
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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I am confident in saying the GOP will turn against Trump in a heartbeat, if given the chance. They don't like Trump, they don't fear Trump, but they fear his supporters. Most would love do anything to see Pence in the Oval Office!
    I am confident that is the biggest crock of **** Ive heard in a long time. GOP raised $125 million last quarter. A record in Presidential politics of any party. GOP loves Trump.

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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I am confident in saying the GOP will turn against Trump in a heartbeat, if given the chance. They don't like Trump, they don't fear Trump, but they fear his supporters. Most would love do anything to see Pence in the Oval Office!

    The fear angle is the important one.

    Fear is how Trump operates. He is not accustomed to being respected, and he wouldn’t know what to do with respect if he had it. That is abundantly clear just from watching him.

    Fear is the only reason that McConnell didn’t dump Trump a long time ago.

    McConnell has alway had Trump’s chestnuts in the palm of his hand. I think the Clown Prince is only now realizing that.

    There is no upside for continuing to support Trump.

    Public opinion is shifting noticeably even now.

    Trump just lost a big vote in Congress, and didn’t even try and hold the GOP votes.

    I suspect that Trump may be thinking about his exit strategy, and calculating what kind of go away deal he can make.

    He’d better not wait too long.

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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    What Sondland is writing, is that he was not aware of Trump, and Rudy's efforts to pressure Ukraine specifically to help Trump in the 2020, .

    That's because there was no such effort. Strange how all the media says the same thing about the 2020 election but when looking at the transcript there is not even any mention of the 2020 election. And there is a specific mention of the 2016 election. The media is making up that part.

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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    That's because there was no such effort. Strange how all the media says the same thing about the 2020 election but when looking at the transcript there is not even any mention of the 2020 election. And there is a specific mention of the 2016 election. The media is making up that part.
    There is no dirt to be found on Joe or Hunter Biden anywhere on the planet, yet that is such a thing of value that Trump must be impeached for asking someone to find it.
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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Im not the one backtracking. And you ought to stick with dreaming up new adolescent nicknames for the president.
    sounds good and very presidential. my latest is "the iodine stained imbecile." do you like it? i like it.

    as for backtracking, i suppose we'll see if you make it to the "so what" stage of denial / fake reality or not.

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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There is no dirt to be found on Joe or Hunter Biden anywhere on the planet, yet that is such a thing of value that Trump must be impeached for asking someone to find it.
    If they do come up with some dirt, Trump can pay his lawyers to pay a public relations firm to pay the Ukranians for the dirt and the campaign finance problems disappear.

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    Re: Sondland throws Trump and Guliani under the bus first!

    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    If they do come up with some dirt, Trump can pay his lawyers to pay a public relations firm to pay the Ukranians for the dirt and the campaign finance problems disappear.
    That's like saying after you rob the bank if you get caught you'll just fill out a withdrawal form. Where did you get your law degree from?


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