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With so many in Trump's Orbit swimming in troubled waters, who drowns?

Trippy Trekker

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Well everybody but Trump is on the hook as potential targets for prosecution. Mulvaney is in more trouble than I ever thought he could get into as he was always just the Dennis the Menace of the House. Sondland and Volker are in trouble as they are trying to ride bicycles on the top of a fence and that won't hold for long. Rudy is a good deal trouble. Will probably end up throwing himself on the mercy of the Court. "I am just old and drunken your honor".

Perry is in a good deal of trouble. Pence's Sgt Shultz act might save him. He makes a good Sgt Schultz as he can actually make you believe that he "knows nothing".
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Does Trump go down? How about Pence? Pompeo? Barr? Giuliani? Mulvaney? Perry? Who else? These guys all want to channel Houdini right about now!

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Trump Crony Mick Mulvaney Earns His Turn in the Barrel | Vanity Fair

Former and current White House officials unhappy with White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney - CBS News
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None of the above.

Seriously...don't pin your hopes on something some media Trump hater says. You'll only be disappointed.

Have you forgotten Nov. 2016?
 
If we wondered why or how these men could defend this horrible man and his actions we shouldn't wonder anymore. Those men who couldn't be entrapped in his schemes and plots left the administration. Those that have stayed and defied all logic vehemently supporting him have been compromise by being snared in his web of lies. So if he goes, they all go and they knew it. They stayed out of fear of being discovered as accomplices to his criminal activities such as the Ukraine extortion scheme. Who knows how many other devious schemes Trump has succeeded in that they are aware of and are being blackmailed because they're accomplices.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Does Trump go down? How about Pence? Pompeo? Barr? Giuliani? Mulvaney? Perry? Who else? These guys all want to channel Houdini right about now!

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Trump Crony Mick Mulvaney Earns His Turn in the Barrel | Vanity Fair

Former and current White House officials unhappy with White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney - CBS News
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If it were 20 years ago, TT, trump would be in serious trouble. The difference now, is that anonymous people can give unlimited amounts of money into super pacs and fund a politician's primary opponent. That's how we got the tea bagger caucus during the Obama administration. Weasels like Lindsey Graham Moscow Mitch are owned by the people funding these pacs who are oligarchs who like low taxes and deregulation because the only thing they care about is their next quarterly financial statement.

This is why trump is raising so much money lately. These oligarchs know he needs help now because if it were 20 years ago, he and his cabinet would be in the middle of an impeachment trial, testifying in front of congress and the process would be supported by both parties, as it was during the Clinton administration.

It's ironic how much higher the stakes are now, though. With Clinton, it was perjury about having an affair. With trump it's about sacrificing our national security.

Bottom line is.. we're all screwed.
 
lurchadams said:
If it were 20 years ago, TT, trump would be in serious trouble. The difference now, is that anonymous people can give unlimited amounts of money into super pacs and fund a politician's primary opponent....

It's ironic how much higher the stakes are now, though. With Clinton, it was perjury about having an affair. With trump it's about sacrificing our national security.

Bottom line is.. we're all screwed.
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Have faith my friend! I expect both of us to win this good fight (Trump's ouster) ... thereafter to face new challenges, survive and thrive! Onward to 2020!
 
Mycroft said:
None of the above.
Seriously...don't pin your hopes on something some media Trump hater says. You'll only be disappointed.
Have you forgotten Nov. 2016?
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Have you?

Paul Manafort , pro Russian former campaign chair in jail
Michael Cohen- decades long personal attorney in jail
Michael Flynn national security advisor awaiting trial
George Papadopuls senior advisor aka coffee boy time served
Roger Stone senior advisor...awaiting trial

Trump named as individual-1...can’t be indicted because he’s POTUS
Trump evidenced to have obstructed justice..cannot be indicted because he’s potus

Now his new personal attorney Rudy is dealing with 4 felons in efforts to help Trump corruptly get help from Ukraine in the 2020.

And that’s just some highlights. Yes, I remember that.
 
HumblePi said:
If we wondered why or how these men could defend this horrible man and his actions we shouldn't wonder anymore. Those men who couldn't be entrapped in his schemes and plots left the administration. Those that have stayed and defied all logic vehemently supporting him have been compromise by being snared in his web of lies. So if he goes, they all go and they knew it. They stayed out of fear of being discovered as accomplices to his criminal activities such as the Ukraine extortion scheme. Who knows how many other devious schemes Trump has succeeded in that they are aware of and are being blackmailed because they're accomplices.
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I think when they're in this deep, they have to stay for the pardons.
 
And, as Anthony Scaramucci claims, Kelly was the last stand-up guy in the White House. No one of value or decency stayed past then.
 
Mach said:
Have you?

Paul Manafort , pro Russian former campaign chair in jail
Michael Cohen- decades long personal attorney in jail
Michael Flynn national security advisor awaiting trial
George Papadopuls senior advisor aka coffee boy time served
Roger Stone senior advisor...awaiting trial
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And what do their convictions for process grimes have to do with Trump? Nothing

Trump named as individual-1...can’t be indicted because he’s POTUS
Trump evidenced to have obstructed justice..cannot be indicted because he’s potus
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Really, if those are indictable crimes then why wouldn't Democrats have Impeached for them? Because its just smoke and mirrors so don't even try to say they would not move to Impeachment if they actually had evidence of what you claim.

Now his new personal attorney Rudy is dealing with 4 felons in efforts to help Trump corruptly get help from Ukraine in the 2020.
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You lose again. The DOJ and FBI have already stated that Trumps discussion with Ukraine was not a crime and asking for their help to investigate Biden for his corruption is not a monetary value as claimed by Schiff and Pelosi. Why do you think they are still having an investigation when they have the actual call transcript?

Because no federal law enforcement community will back up their claim.
 
Condor060 said:
And what do their convictions for process grimes have to do with Trump? Nothing



Really, if those are indictable crimes then why wouldn't Democrats have Impeached for them? Because its just smoke and mirrors so don't even try to say they would not move to Impeachment if they actually had evidence of what you claim.



You lose again. The DOJ and FBI have already stated that Trumps discussion with Ukraine was not a crime and asking for their help to investigate Biden for his corruption is not a monetary value as claimed by Schiff and Pelosi. Why do you think they are still having an investigation when they have the actual call transcript?

Because no federal law enforcement community will back up their claim.
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The witnesses coming forth tell a different story and most of it's pretty damning for Trump. Apparently, there's a whole backstory leading up to the phone call and a lot of people are implicated. IE: Giuliani, Mulvaney, Pompeo, Perry, Sondland, Volker, Pence, former Rep. Sessions....

The ICIG, OMB, former State Dept. and WH officials and former NSA director can back up the claim.
 
Moot said:
The witnesses coming forth tell a different story and most of it's pretty damning for Trump. Apparently, there's a whole backstory leading up to the phone call and a lot of people are implicated. IE: Giuliani, Mulvaney, Pompeo, Perry, Sondland, Volker, Pence, former Rep. Sessions....

The ICIG, OMB, former State Dept. and WH officials and former NSA director can back up the claim.
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Womp, womp....
 
Who drowns?

The Democrats.
 
Moot said:
The witnesses coming forth tell a different story and most of it's pretty damning for Trump. Apparently, there's a whole backstory leading up to the phone call and a lot of people are implicated. IE: Giuliani, Mulvaney, Pompeo, Perry, Sondland, Volker, Pence, former Rep. Sessions....

The ICIG, OMB, former State Dept. and WH officials and former NSA director can back up the claim.
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Whats there to back up. We already have the call transcript. You looking for someone who is going to say the transcript is real? lol

By the way, the only reason you are watching the Democrat s**t show is because the DOJ and FBI already told them no monetary value exist in Trumps call.

What are you going to Impeach on, opinion?
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Does Trump go down? How about Pence? Pompeo? Barr? Giuliani? Mulvaney? Perry? Who else? These guys all want to channel Houdini right about now!

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Trump Crony Mick Mulvaney Earns His Turn in the Barrel | Vanity Fair

Former and current White House officials unhappy with White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney - CBS News
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Trump is in trouble? I agree. Dirty democrats and corrupt media outlets have Trump on the ropes. They have denied him due process, they give him no respect, compassion, kindness consideration, or freedom to do his job. They conduct one fake witch hunt after another and try him behind closed doors in democrat dens run by democrat mob bosses. They cannot kill him but they will do everything in their power to make him wish he was dead, and will teach the American people a painful lesson if they ever succeed in their attempt to overthrow him and his administration and regain near dictatorial power.
 
Condor060 said:
Whats there to back up. We already have the call transcript. You looking for someone who is going to say the transcript is real? lol

By the way, the only reason you are watching the Democrat s**t show is because the DOJ and FBI already told them no monetary value exist in Trumps call.

What are you going to Impeach on, opinion?
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There was more to the phone call than just the transcript. Apparently, it was conspiracy in the making going back to last summer with Giuliani and Mulvaney at the heart of it.

The DOJ was wrong, opposition research has value....and I don't recall the FBI investigating it. Do you have a link?
 
Moot said:
There was more to the phone call than just the transcript. Apparently, it was conspiracy in the making going back to last summer with Giuliani and Mulvaney at the heart of it.

The DOJ was wrong, opposition research has value....and I don't recall the FBI investigating it. Do you have a link?
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Conspiracy to do what? Conspiracy to investigate? Please. So Barr, the DOJ, and the FBI are all wrong but you and the other posters in here are the only enlightened ones?

You guys claimed Trump had billions in loans and some conspiracy existed between Trump and the Russians.

Then it was some conspiracy between Trump and his attorney for campaign violations

Then it was a conspiracy between Trump and Russia to hide the building of a hotel in Moscow.

Then you guys said their was a Conspiracy with Russia to effect the outcome of the election and obstruction from the Mueller report and the DOJ, Barr, and Rosenstein said none existed.

So then you guys claimed it was a conspiracy between Trump, Barr, Rosenstein, and the DOJ to hide Russian interference and obstruction of justice.

Haven't you had enough already? I mean, really? This is beyond ridiculous. Its now reached the outskirts of ignorance.
 
Condor060 said:
Conspiracy to do what? Conspiracy to investigate? Please. So Barr, the DOJ, and the FBI are all wrong but you and the other posters in here are the only enlightened ones?

You guys claimed Trump had billions in loans and some conspiracy existed between Trump and the Russians.

Then it was some conspiracy between Trump and his attorney for campaign violations

Then it was a conspiracy between Trump and Russia to hide the building of a hotel in Moscow.

Then you guys said their was a Conspiracy with Russia to effect the outcome of the election and obstruction from the Mueller report and the DOJ, Barr, and Rosenstein said none existed.

So then you guys claimed it was a conspiracy between Trump, Barr, Rosenstein, and the DOJ to hide Russian interference and obstruction of justice.

Haven't you had enough already? I mean, really? This is beyond ridiculous. Its now reached the outskirts of ignorance.
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Where's the link I asked you for?
 
Moot said:
Where's the link I asked you for?
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Similarly, the FBI, which received a separate referral from the intelligence inspector general, didn't open an investigation. Following guidelines for campaign finance violations, the FBI consulted with public corruption prosecutors at the Justice Department and deferred to the Justice criminal division, senior Justice officials said. The FBI didn't respond to questions Friday about its handling of the complaint.
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Justice Department and William Barr are back in the middle of the storm - CNNPolitics
 
Linc said:
Barr will eventually have John Mitchell’s view of the outside world.
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Yeah, Ok. I'll take it under advisement along with the dozens of other false claims made by Democrats over the last 3 years.
 
Condor060 said:
Justice Department and William Barr are back in the middle of the storm - CNNPolitics
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So there wasn't any FBI investigation, huh? That's what I thought.

The article you posted says the DOJ didn't investigate, either. So you lied on both counts.

This time among the questions for Barr and the Justice Department: why the department's preliminary investigation of a whistleblower complaint was narrowly focused only on potential campaign finance violations when the complaint raised concerns about broader potential legal violations....

The narrow approach and decision to close the probe in three weeks without much investigative follow-up makes the matter much more like the department's handling of an everyday inquiry rather than one with a top political figure or the President at its center....
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Condor060 said:
Yeah, Ok. I'll take it under advisement along with the dozens of other false claims made by Democrats over the last 3 years.
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See post #22
 
Moot said:
So there wasn't any FBI investigation, huh? That's what I thought.

The article you posted says the DOJ didn't investigate, either. So you lied on both counts.
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Wrong again, I stated The DOJ and FBI have already stated that Trumps discussion with Ukraine was not a crime and asking for their help to investigate Biden for his corruption is not a monetary value as claimed by Schiff and Pelosi.

So you just lied yourself

Nice try
 
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Condor060 said:
Wrong again, I stated The DOJ and FBI have already stated that Trumps discussion with Ukraine was not a crime and asking for their help to investigate Biden for his corruption is not a monetary value as claimed by Schiff and Pelosi.

So you just lied yourself

Nice try
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Oh and DOJ can't change it's mind? I think there will be a good bit of mind changing in the near future. Trumpkin is going to take the GOP down with him if he is allowed to and the party is the fundamental structure of the member's political careers.
 
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