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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    And yet, Obama won. So your comparison fails.
    Whether Obama won or not has nothing to do with more Hillary supporters not voting for Obama, than Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary. You have Bernie Derangement Syndrome.

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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    I can adapt myself to either a progressive or a moderate, if they are electable and have solid political instincts and skills. I won't vote for the leftovers of 2008 or 2016 unless I have to. . Clinton, and Sanders both showed weaknesses as candidates. We need to find someone who will successfully appeal to black voters (
    Sanders did not) young voters ( Hillary did not) independents (Hillary did not), Hispanics, older voters (Sanders did not) , moderates (Sanders did not). Biden is not the guy because he is slipping. Booker is too superficial, Habbord is too conservative. Buttigieg is too green.

    At present I am sticking with Warren. But I feel free to change my mind.
    And yet Bernie has no problem attracting black voters, and has more support from black voters than Warren. So no, support from black voters isn't as important to you as you said. Bernie got two independent voters for every one Hillary got - he's the strongest candidate with independents, who are a larger group than either party. So much for your stated issues.

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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

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    I certainly consider the Constitution to play a big part in our traditional values. While voluntary charitable giving is certainly part of our traditional values, is quite commendable and continues to exist, forced income redistribution (regardless of the label used) is not and is found nowhere in our Constitution as a federal power.
    I agree. The forced income redistribution to the top 1% must stop or we are all doomed. When Reagan deified them as the "Job Creators" we didn't think that meant ALL the profits needed to go to them. But that is what happened.
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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    And yet Bernie has no problem attracting black voters, and has more support from black voters than Warren. So no, support from black voters isn't as important to you as you said. Bernie got two independent voters for every one Hillary got - he's the strongest candidate with independents, who are a larger group than either party. So much for your stated issues.
    Craig. I am smarter than this. Bernie Sanders was given months and months full of primaries to show that black voters who he was, and would get out and vote for him in primaries. He failed. He failed to get moderates out and older voters out. Hillary carried those demographics and they were a major reason he was not the nominee. I am not going to compare polling data this early in 2019 with Warren largely unknown to many voters , with polling data post primary and caucus election through super-tuesday and later in 2016. We don't know how Warren will do outside very involved Dems, until more people are paying attention and getting to know their choices. Most rank and file Democrats are frankly not paying a lot of attention, and haven't even watched these debate so those candidates with more name familiarity will do better at this early stage. That's why Biden was so overwhelmingly strong, and Sanders was second. Now both are doing less well as Warren is grabbing more attention. Now we will see what happens as Warren gets some less favorable coverage and more candidates take her on, instead of Biden.

    Sanders and Biden are both loosing ground. I think that tread will likely continue with Sanders, and it is likely to continue with Biden. They are both familiar names, but soon to become yesterday's news. Its very hard to rebrand yourself as new and improved,, with new flashier brands coming on the market that can just claim to be great.
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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    Craig. I am smarter than this. Bernie Sanders was given months and months full of primaries to show that black voters who he was, and would get out and vote for him in primaries. He failed. He failed to get moderates out and older voters out. Hillary carried those demographics and they were a major reason he was not the nominee. I am not going to compare polling data this early in 2019 with Warren largely unknown to many voters , with polling data post primary and caucus election through super-tuesday and later in 2016. We don't know how Warren will do outside very involved Dems, until more people are paying attention and getting to know their choices. Most rank and file Democrats are frankly not paying a lot of attention, and haven't even watched these debate so those candidates with more name familiarity will do better at this early stage. That's why Biden was so overwhelmingly strong, and Sanders was second. Now both are doing less well as Warren is grabbing more attention. Now we will see what happens as Warren gets some less favorable coverage and more candidates take her on, instead of Biden.

    Sanders and Biden are both loosing ground. I think that tread will likely continue with Sanders, and it is likely to continue with Biden. They are both familiar names, but soon to become yesterday's news. Its very hard to rebrand yourself as new and improved,, with new flashier brands coming on the market that can just claim to be great.
    Actually a new poll shows a bit of a resurgence for Biden and Warren went south a few points secondary to the attacks she got. . Maybe Trump's attack on Hunter backfired and Biden has stopped his bleed. He had a better debate IMO, but I still am not interested in him at present.

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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Yeah....'cuz we need a candidate who's gonna keel over from another heart attack in his first 6 months.
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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    It's not because of his healthcare policy, his student debt policy, his minimum wage policy, or other specific policies. Those might be good reasons for him to win, but they're not the main reason.

    The reason isn't about any specific policy this election. It's about the direction of the country, which took a wrong turn with Nixon/Reagan, toward plutocracy, where all the economic wealth was shifted away from the American people and to the few most wealthy - and power followed, to where our democracy is heavily corrupt.

    We need a change in direction for the country, not shifting some numbers here and there as we continue the plutocracy.

    And only Bernie seems to really understand that and to want to change the direction of the country back to its traditional values, of government that serves the people.

    Democracy is more and more attacked, destroyed, weakened the longer the plutocracy continues, as the courts are packed with plutocrats who are re-writing the constitution (e.g., money is speech) to cement the plutocracy in place and remove the people's power.

    Bernie is a historic candidate. More need to understand that. Electing him won't fix things alone - as he says, that's the start to fixing things if the people have a political revolution as well as electing him to lead it.

    Words like 'revolution' are scary to people, but they shouldn't be. We had a 'bad' revolution, the 'Reagan revolution', which put us on plutocracy.

    This is a return to normal American values - when a 10% increase in the economy tends to benefit everyone 10%, instead of only the most rich taking it all, as they have for decades, leading to record inequality.

    We can't afford to keep the same thing we've been doing 40 years going - electing fast plutocracy under Republicans and slower plutocracy under centrist Democrats. The American people should get the big increase in wealth and power that would come from Bernie's policies as we restore democracy.
    Have you actually LOOKED at the economic status of the average American family? Their income is at record highs and family wealth has grown dramatically. Wages are high and unemployment is low. Bernie would destroy all that.
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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Bernie is a f****** communist. Last century in the Korean war and the Vietnam war over 100,000 young Americans were killed by communist!!!!

    This country wants nothing more to do with communism.

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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    Craig. I am smarter than this. Bernie Sanders was given months and months full of primaries to show that black voters who he was, and would get out and vote for him in primaries. He failed. He failed to get moderates out and older voters out. Hillary carried those demographics and they were a major reason he was not the nominee. I am not going to compare polling data this early in 2019 with Warren largely unknown to many voters , with polling data post primary and caucus election through super-tuesday and later in 2016. We don't know how Warren will do outside very involved Dems, until more people are paying attention and getting to know their choices. Most rank and file Democrats are frankly not paying a lot of attention, and haven't even watched these debate so those candidates with more name familiarity will do better at this early stage. That's why Biden was so overwhelmingly strong, and Sanders was second. Now both are doing less well as Warren is grabbing more attention. Now we will see what happens as Warren gets some less favorable coverage and more candidates take her on, instead of Biden.

    Sanders and Biden are both loosing ground. I think that tread will likely continue with Sanders, and it is likely to continue with Biden. They are both familiar names, but soon to become yesterday's news. Its very hard to rebrand yourself as new and improved,, with new flashier brands coming on the market that can just claim to be great.
    So, you just Bernie by the early results running against a hugely better known person, but for Warren, we just have to wait to see. Very fair minded. Bernie has no problems with any of those voters - unless by moderates you mean the corporatists, they do not want to vote for Bernie.

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    Re: Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logical1 View Post
    Bernie is a f****** communist. Last century in the Korean war and the Vietnam war over 100,000 young Americans were killed by communist!!!!

    This country wants nothing more to do with communism.
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