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These Ohio Swing Voters are Outraged over Impeachment

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Swing voters in this Rust Belt state are expressing a range of unease about impeaching President Trump, from fears it will hurt the economy to frustrations that House Democrats are more invested in going after Trump than in helping people.

Why it matters: If such sentiments last and play out on a larger scale across pivotal states, it spells trouble for Democrats unless they can reframe what they're trying to accomplish.

Distraction, unease, exhaustion — these were some of the main takeaways from our Engagious/FPG focus group last week.

We heard from 8 voters who flipped from Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016, and 3 who switched from Mitt Romney to Hillary Clinton.
The findings are a counterpoint to the latest national surveys — including a Fox News poll — that show more and more Americans, perhaps even a majority, now favor impeaching and removing Trump.
While a focus group is not a statistically significant sample like a poll, these responses show how some voters are thinking and talking about the 2020 election in crucial counties.
The big picture: 9 of the 11 participants raised their hands to say impeachment is a distraction from the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access.


Brad P., a 40-year-old Trump voter, summed it up as "a never-ending drama" that "shows to me these people are completely out of touch with everyday Americans’ lives."

A couple of people doubted that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden; others didn't think it warrants impeachment if he did. "Is there undeniable proof?" asked one man.

When asked how impeachment made them feel, these voters offered things like "concerned," "uneasy," "exhausted," "sad that they’re [Democrats] so focused on it," and "a big distraction from what we could be doing."

One person, Lisa A., who was a Clinton voter, didn't think it was a great idea but said, "I believe in the checks and balances" and "I'm not scared of the process."

Why Ohio matters: Trump won the state in 2016 by over 450,000 votes; he lost Mahoning County, where the focus group was held, by less than 4,000 votes.

What they're saying: Participants shared their thoughts about the Democrats. "They need to focus on the real issues," said Judy D., a 60-year-old Trump voter. "[Nancy] Pelosi hates him so bad, I just think she needs to drop it and worry about the country."

“They need to be concentrating on the country, not what he’s doing wrong,” Deborah G., a 56-year-old Clinton voter, said.
"They hit a big strike on Mueller, so this is trying to get another base hit on the president,” said Eric B., a 34-year-old Trump voter.
"It's become more of ... 'Destroy the other party' instead of build the whole country up," said Richelle W., a 40-year-old Trump voter.

Focus group: These Ohio swing voters want Democrats to give up Trump impeachment - Axios

^^^ Democrats never seem to learn do they? I think Pelosi is smart enough not to take an Impeachment inquiry vote now (as she announced yesterday) and might even be sorry she gave permission to the far left of the base, many who put pressure on her to go the impeachment route. How not to win friends and influence voters.... and right now in order to take back the WH, keep the House and win back the senate, the Democrats can't afford to keep making these crucial mistakes.


"Before getting serious about impeachment, House Democrats worried the timing was too close to the 2020 election and could backfire at the polls."

"One man, Rocco P., a 40-year-old Trump voter, offered this advice to Democrats: "Just drop it. Beat Trump at the ballot box."

Between the lines: Harboring anti-impeachment feelings doesn't necessarily translate to a vote for Trump in 2020. Only four of the participants said they will definitely vote for Trump again; one former Trump voter said he will vote for Andrew Yang; one Clinton voter, Lisa A., said she's leaning toward Elizabeth Warren; and the rest are undecided. "
 
Stupid question but it's got to be asked: how are the responses of eight people a "counterpoint" to larger polling?
 
Concern trolling from the right. None of us on the left give a damn, newsflash. Let's take advice from a Trump supporter on how to beat a guy they, whole hog, refuse to condemn for anything.

Garbage thread.
 
Stupid question but it's got to be asked: how are the responses of eight people a "counterpoint" to larger polling?

Anything, even if pinocchio spouted off about how impeachment will hurt the dems, will be used to validate the feelings of those who now see what it's like to have no control over the house impeachment proceedings.

Polling among independents shows a majority preferring impeachment - and alot want removal.

This is carrot-stick-noise-machine for cognitive dissonance.
 
Concern trolling from the right. None of us on the left give a damn, newsflash. Let's take advice from a Trump supporter on how to beat a guy they, whole hog, refuse to condemn for anything.

Garbage thread.

It doesn't matter what advice the Dems are given because they won't take it. And they won't win.
 
It doesn't matter what advice the Dems are given because they won't take it. And they won't win.

They may not - but the last place they should take advice is from Trump supporters.

Vile miscreants.
 
Focus group: These Ohio swing voters want Democrats to give up Trump impeachment - Axios

^^^ Democrats never seem to learn do they? I think Pelosi is smart enough not to take an Impeachment inquiry vote now (as she announced yesterday) and might even be sorry she gave permission to the far left of the base, many who put pressure on her to go the impeachment route. How not to win friends and influence voters.... and right now in order to take back the WH, keep the House and win back the senate, the Democrats can't afford to keep making these crucial mistakes.


"Before getting serious about impeachment, House Democrats worried the timing was too close to the 2020 election and could backfire at the polls."

"One man, Rocco P., a 40-year-old Trump voter, offered this advice to Democrats: "Just drop it. Beat Trump at the ballot box."

Between the lines: Harboring anti-impeachment feelings doesn't necessarily translate to a vote for Trump in 2020. Only four of the participants said they will definitely vote for Trump again; one former Trump voter said he will vote for Andrew Yang; one Clinton voter, Lisa A., said she's leaning toward Elizabeth Warren; and the rest are undecided. "

A vote is not required to start the impeachment process, only to formalize the event.
 
They may not - but the last place they should take advice is from Trump supporters.

Vile miscreants.

Thank you. Being called names by the radical left is always a badge of honor.:thumbs:
 
Anybody notice that we're getting a lot of "helpful" advice when the rules of war say:

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?
 
Stupid question but it's got to be asked: how are the responses of eight people a "counterpoint" to larger polling?

From the Axious article...
"The findings are a counterpoint to the latest national surveys — including a Fox News poll — that show more and more Americans, perhaps even a majority, now favor impeaching and removing Trump.
While a focus group is not a statistically significant sample like a poll, these responses show how some voters are thinking and talking about the 2020 election in crucial counties.
The big picture: 9 of the 11 participants raised their hands to say impeachment is a distraction from the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access."
 
Stupid question but it's got to be asked: how are the responses of eight people a "counterpoint" to larger polling?

These people happened to say what the original poster wanted them to say, therefore they are the ones she will listen too.
 
Despite of what eight people in Ohio say, the trend is always the same: a majority of Americans support impeachment. In the latest yougov poll, there is majority support for impeachment by 11 points. In the Fox Poll there is majority support for impeachment by 11 points. Gallup has a smaller lead...six points...but the trend shows the same narrative regardless.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/kvoamfqbbo/econTabReport.pdf
Fox News Poll: Record support for Trump impeachment | Fox News
Congress Approval, Support for Impeaching Trump Both Up
 
From the Axious article...
"The findings are a counterpoint to the latest national surveys — including a Fox News poll — that show more and more Americans, perhaps even a majority, now favor impeaching and removing Trump.
While a focus group is not a statistically significant sample like a poll, these responses show how some voters are thinking and talking about the 2020 election in crucial counties.
The big picture: 9 of the 11 participants raised their hands to say impeachment is a distraction from the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access."

Yes, I saw that, but asking eight voters in the street is the opposite of reliable polling. If I told you what eight people in Venice Beach said about impeaching Trump, you'd laugh me out of the thread, and rightfully so.
 
A vote is not required to start the impeachment process, only to formalize the event.

The way this is going, it's doubtful that the impeachment inquiry will get beyond this stage.
 
Yes, I saw that, but asking eight voters in the street is the opposite of reliable polling. If I told you what eight people in Venice Beach said about Trump, you'd laugh me out of the thread, and rightfully so.

From the Axios article above....
"Why it matters: If such sentiments last and play out on a larger scale across pivotal states, it spells trouble for Democrats unless they can reframe what they're trying to accomplish."
 
Focus group: These Ohio swing voters want Democrats to give up Trump impeachment - Axios

^^^ Democrats never seem to learn do they? I think Pelosi is smart enough not to take an Impeachment inquiry vote now (as she announced yesterday) and might even be sorry she gave permission to the far left of the base, many who put pressure on her to go the impeachment route. How not to win friends and influence voters.... and right now in order to take back the WH, keep the House and win back the senate, the Democrats can't afford to keep making these crucial mistakes.


"Before getting serious about impeachment, House Democrats worried the timing was too close to the 2020 election and could backfire at the polls."

"One man, Rocco P., a 40-year-old Trump voter, offered this advice to Democrats: "Just drop it. Beat Trump at the ballot box."

Between the lines: Harboring anti-impeachment feelings doesn't necessarily translate to a vote for Trump in 2020. Only four of the participants said they will definitely vote for Trump again; one former Trump voter said he will vote for Andrew Yang; one Clinton voter, Lisa A., said she's leaning toward Elizabeth Warren; and the rest are undecided. "

8 people in Ohio don't like the impeachment! Oh no! I guess it sucks for them that most independents are supportive of it.
 
Focus group: These Ohio swing voters want Democrats to give up Trump impeachment - Axios

^^^ Democrats never seem to learn do they? I think Pelosi is smart enough not to take an Impeachment inquiry vote now (as she announced yesterday) and might even be sorry she gave permission to the far left of the base, many who put pressure on her to go the impeachment route. How not to win friends and influence voters.... and right now in order to take back the WH, keep the House and win back the senate, the Democrats can't afford to keep making these crucial mistakes.


"Before getting serious about impeachment, House Democrats worried the timing was too close to the 2020 election and could backfire at the polls."

"One man, Rocco P., a 40-year-old Trump voter, offered this advice to Democrats: "Just drop it. Beat Trump at the ballot box."

Between the lines: Harboring anti-impeachment feelings doesn't necessarily translate to a vote for Trump in 2020. Only four of the participants said they will definitely vote for Trump again; one former Trump voter said he will vote for Andrew Yang; one Clinton voter, Lisa A., said she's leaning toward Elizabeth Warren; and the rest are undecided. "

Eight people in one swing state constitute a representative sample?!

Did you sleep through your STAT 101 class, Trix? :D
 
From the Axios article above....
"Why it matters: If such sentiments last and play out on a larger scale across pivotal states, it spells trouble for Democrats unless they can reframe what they're trying to accomplish."

If eight people in Ohio represented other pivotal states...

Also:

If eight people in Venice Beach represented other pivotal states...
 
From the Axious article...
"The findings are a counterpoint to the latest national surveys — including a Fox News poll — that show more and more Americans, perhaps even a majority, now favor impeaching and removing Trump.
While a focus group is not a statistically significant sample like a poll, these responses show how some voters are thinking and talking about the 2020 election in crucial counties.
The big picture: 9 of the 11 participants raised their hands to say impeachment is a distraction from the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access."

And the biggest of those issues, wages, healthcare, etc, are ignored by the idiotic POTUS and the moronic republicants and all their diaspora of supporters, so essentially, these voters are saying "talk to me about issues the president refuses to meaningfully address."

But, of course, you can take it to mean they support the potus. In fact, they're looking for someone to give them policies they support - because clearly, Trump hasn't done that.

There, there's your diamond in the rough. It looks like it's sharp on the edges and cuts your argument on the way down, but feel free to swallow.
 
Despite of what eight people in Ohio say, the trend is always the same: a majority of Americans support impeachment. In the latest yougov poll, there is majority support for impeachment by 11 points. In the Fox Poll there is majority support for impeachment by 11 points. Gallup has a smaller lead...six points...but the trend shows the same narrative regardless.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/kvoamfqbbo/econTabReport.pdf
Fox News Poll: Record support for Trump impeachment | Fox News
Congress Approval, Support for Impeaching Trump Both Up

They're all wrong. All of them. All the democrats, all the independents, everyone who is a never trumper.

Didn't you know?

Trump is playing quasi-deity 5th dimensional super chess, and his supporters are in on the game thanks to Qanon. Everyone else is wrong, we're all brainwashed.

Trump has superpowers; hyperintelligence, the strength of 12,000,000 men. He's got a dildo that shoots out time machines and cuts down his foes with flamethrowers that shoot running chainsaws. He has the wisdom of the elder gods, was present for the crucifixion, he was there before the aliens landed and planted jesus here to "save" us. Hell, he himself even bench pressed the entirety of new york, sending out a cosmic shockwave that sent Nibiru spinning off of its axis and forever ending the threat of the rogue planet destroying us forever.

Trump can out Norris Chuck Norris, and his beard.
 
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Focus group: These Ohio swing voters want Democrats to give up Trump impeachment - Axios

^^^ Democrats never seem to learn do they? I think Pelosi is smart enough not to take an Impeachment inquiry vote now (as she announced yesterday) and might even be sorry she gave permission to the far left of the base, many who put pressure on her to go the impeachment route. How not to win friends and influence voters.... and right now in order to take back the WH, keep the House and win back the senate, the Democrats can't afford to keep making these crucial mistakes.


"Before getting serious about impeachment, House Democrats worried the timing was too close to the 2020 election and could backfire at the polls."

"One man, Rocco P., a 40-year-old Trump voter, offered this advice to Democrats: "Just drop it. Beat Trump at the ballot box."

Between the lines: Harboring anti-impeachment feelings doesn't necessarily translate to a vote for Trump in 2020. Only four of the participants said they will definitely vote for Trump again; one former Trump voter said he will vote for Andrew Yang; one Clinton voter, Lisa A., said she's leaning toward Elizabeth Warren; and the rest are undecided. "

LOL! You can find stupid people EVERYWHERE!

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
From the Axious article...
"The findings are a counterpoint to the latest national surveys — including a Fox News poll — that show more and more Americans, perhaps even a majority, now favor impeaching and removing Trump.
While a focus group is not a statistically significant sample like a poll, these responses show how some voters are thinking and talking about the 2020 election in crucial counties.
The big picture: 9 of the 11 participants raised their hands to say impeachment is a distraction from the issues they care most about — things like wages and unemployment, border security, bringing troops home, and health care costs and access."

This sample size, as small as it is, has more value than the polls. Polls can be manipulated in the way questions are asked and who is asked them. They've shown themselves to be almost totally unreliable in the age of Trump. 2016 showed that and it also showed that people who support Trump, even moderately, are often loathe to admit this to pollsters. The only poll that matters will be next year.
 
They're all wrong. All of them. All the democrats, all the independents, everyone who is a never trumper.

Didn't you know?

Trump is playing quasi-deity 5th dimensional super chess, and his supporters are in on the game thanks to Qanon. Everyone else is wrong, we're all brainwashed.

Trump has superpowers; hyperintelligence, the strength of 12,000,000 men. He's got a dildo that shoots out time machines and cuts down his foes with flamethrowers that shoot running chainsaws. He has the wisdom of the elder gods, was present for the crucifixion, he was there before the aliens landed and planted jesus here to "save" us. Hell, he himself even bench pressed the entirety of new york, sending out a cosmic shockwave that sent Nibiru spinning off of its axis and forever ending the threat of the rogue planet destroying us forever.

Trump can out Norris Chuck Norris, and his beard.

That was a good laugh, I think their inherent weakness is inversely proportional to the strength they see in trump.


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Ohio voters voice dismay over Trump's actions but aren't convinced on impeachment - CNNPolitics

Interviews with voters here in Ohio largely reflected the uncertainty about impeachment nationally.
While the Ukraine controversy pushed some over the edge toward impeachment, interviews here suggest that Democrats have not convincingly made the case to other voters that Trump's Ukraine call is significantly different than the murky findings of the Russia investigation by former special counsel Robert Mueller.
The uproar around the Russia investigation went on for so long that Republican-leaning-independent Tim Sartori said he just started to tune it all out.
"From the jump, it seems like people have been on him -- it's like they're on a witch hunt," said Sartori, a 55-year-old salesman, recalling the phrase that Trump repeatedly used to describe the Russia probe. "He's cocky and he's arrogant, but I'm not sure if this is more of the same," he said of the Ukraine matter. He noted that, in his view, the Russia investigation yielded scant evidence of wrongdoing by Trump.
 
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