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10/15/19 debate thread

Who would have thunk that Buttigieg and Klobuchar would steal the stage tonight?

Warren is the loser in this debate. She looked very evasive on healthcare, and just went off on tangents.
 
Oh, oh, Kamala is on the attack again. But she's wrong.
 
azgreg said:
I've been with him in RL. He's arguably the least impressive person I know.
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But I am by far the best at underwhelming than anyone.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Anti-trust laws won't break up big tech companies because they are not monopolies. They are just very popular. There are no laws against being a very popular company.
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In many cases they do not need to be monopolies but rather just control too much. The phone companies in the 80's were not a monopoly but more like a duopoly, with one company controlling most the phone networks, reagan broke it up, the same should be done today, facebook and google pretty much run almost the whole internet directly or indirectly, their influence is worse now than companies trustbuster reagan broke up in the 80's.
 
Obscurity said:
Awww but I thought you cared about your fellow americans. Ah, well. Guess you'll be voting Republican. Doesnt matter though, your vote wont count anyway, since you live in California. Thats... uninteresting.
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I do care about my fellow Americans, which is why I oppose the "this has never worked, it will this time" arguments the Dem clowns are spewing.

I find it amusing that so many on the left call themselves "progressives" or talk about "progressive solutions" and then espouse the same old crap that has never worked.
 
Arguing about whether or not to shut down Trump’s twitter account is weird and a waste of time.
 
The polls keep flip-flopping on whether or not Warren or Biden are leading nationally. But it is extremly clear that insider polling of campaigns are saying Warren is leading. A lot of these folks are going hard after Warren and barely even acknowledging that Biden even exists.
 
I wish Harris had less anger in her default posture.
 
Hey! Castro didn't leave the stage.
 
These ****s...

They practiced questions and answers. Too many of them use as debate strategy to answer questions by saying one sentence that sounds generally like it's in the ballpark of the question, but then spew out a bunch of other stuff that is off-topic. And what they say in the latter bit might be true and a good point but does not answer the question.

 
MovingPictures said:
Who would have thunk that Buttigieg and Klobuchar would steal the stage tonight?

Warren is the loser in this debate. She looked very evasive on healthcare, and just went off on tangents.
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Disagree.
 
I am fed up with the format, too many people squeezed into sixty second sound bites.
Enough.

If you haven't amassed double digits, you're gone. We need a deeper discussion with the people who are in the lead.
 
Bullseye said:
Yeah, but are 10 people on stage trying to out yell each other or score "gotcha" points really that serious? Head to head confrontations on one or two issues might help get rid of the light loads.
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That's not what the debates have been this year. They've actually been massive exchanges of lots of ideas more than probably most people expected them to be. In the recent past, American politics has become far too two-sided and zero sum than it was ever intended to be or that it can even effectively sustain. We don't need a winner and a loser every 20 minutes. We need a sustained conversation that welcomes all input and allows thoughtful solutions to complicated problems to evolve.
 
TurtleDude said:
Not as conservative as many believe. I think college kids are far more accepting of homosexuality than 40-70 year old unionists or farmers
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Yeah, I was being a little tongue-in-cheek.

But I was on campus one summer a few years ago, and was really surprised by the hard work & conservative ethos I found amongst the students I interacted with. My suspicion though, is that's the way the summer students are - since they are the most motivated. Plus the campus is in the middle of cornfields. You don't go to ND for a social life, unless you're only going to socialize with other Irish.

I'd also like to comment on your liking Kobuchar. It's those Midwest "sensibilities" and pragmaticism. I love those values. The farm life is not for me, but dayem I respect the hell out of those Midwestern farmers making a living off their land. That is the ultimate test of realistic pragmatism. Eke out a living off the land. Bull**** & delusion need not apply!
 
Mr Person said:
These ****s...

They practiced questions and answers. Too many of them use as debate strategy to answer questions by saying one sentence that sounds generally like it's in the ballpark of the question, but then spew out a bunch of other stuff that is off-topic. And what they say in the latter bit might be true and a good point but does not answer the question.
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Booker is a nice guy. But he is so just throwing out rehearsed platitudes. It's just gross to me. I mean why even ask him a question? The answer is going to look like something written on a business card. Harris is showing she's the queen of diversion where she takes the question and then diverts to a whole other topic. Buttigieg has always looked incredibly fluid and intelligent in every debate but this debate he looks desperate.
 
Nalu said:
I mean, it would be entertaining for sure, but presidential politics is a little more serious than college sports or reality TV eliminations. If these giant candidate fields become the norm, then the parties are going to have to find a better way to have these primary debates. The Republican debates in 2015 and the Democratic debates now are just too shallow in substance and too spastic in topical explorations.
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"Politics is the sports of real life"
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I am fed up with the format, too many people squeezed into sixty second sound bites.
Enough.

If you haven't amassed double digits, you're gone. We need a deeper discussion with the people who are in the lead.
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The problem is those in double digits now might be nobodies tomorrow. The primaries vary wildly around the start of voting, if you remember older primaries often leading candidate x might suddenly lose to the underdog and the underdog may lose to the underunderdog in the next state then it may rebound or change to someone no one thought it would be from early polling.


To narrow it down to a few candidates would mean wanting to water down choices based off of early name recognition over anything else.
 
Cardinal said:
Arguing about whether or not to shut down Trump’s twitter account is weird and a waste of time.
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I thought that was a weird hill that Tulsi decided to die upon.
 
beerftw said:
I am not sure you can call them truly conservative, but she has backed trump on some issues, and has not backed the democrat party hard line stance on other issues.
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Could you share some examples?
 
Biden is missing the blindingly obvious: before Trump leaves office, Clarence Thomas is going to step down and let Trump appoint his replacement. And the amazing thing is that Democrats are going to be shocked when it happens.
 
MovingPictures said:
The DNC is a dumpster, no doubt about that.

However, it's not their fault that everyone with a pulse deluded themselves into trying to be the nominee.
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But isn't this what makes the Dems a great party? The diversity of people & ideas?

Hell, I'd love to see more moderates and conservatives mixed in too. The more ideas, the better.
 
poweRob said:
Booker is a nice guy. But he is so just throwing out rehearsed platitudes. It's just gross to me. I mean why even ask him a question? The answer is going to look like something written on a business card. Harris is showing she's the queen of diversion where she takes the question and then diverts to a whole other topic. Buttigieg has always looked incredibly fluid and intelligent in every debate but this debate he looks desperate.
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I don't like Booker one bit. Platitude Central, him...
 
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