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Trump admin tramples Constitution again

Mach said:
Virtue signaling is OK with Conservatives if it's proselytizing Christian myths. Didn't ya know?
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This is partly Barr and Pompeo trying to reign in Evangelical Leaders who are sickened by what trump has done in Syria.
 
Mycroft said:
???

It is NOT a "religious display". It's a link to a speech he gave.

In any case, there's nothing in the Constitution that says he cannot give a speech to a religious organization or make that speech available on the government website.
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There is a thousand things you can't do that the Cs is silent on.
 
Airyaman said:
Well, take it to court then. It's pretty much been established that you can't do this sort of stuff.
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I don't need to. Pompeo didn't violate The Constitution.

It isn't established, because the courts can't make law.
 
Condor060 said:
NEWS FLASH, Pompeo isn't the government. He has freedom of speech and freedom of religion just like everyone else. What are you going to say next? Politicians can't go to church because they are favoring one religion over another.

This continuing reaching for the ridiculous looks pretty desperate.
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Oooh, snarkiness used incorrectly. Pompeo is specifically the government.
 
Mycroft said:
Is Pompeo now a member of Congress? Has Pompeo made a law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"?

Not that I know of.
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You may be an originalist in the extreme, but SCOTUS decisions have expanded the meaning of freedom of religion over the years.
 
mrjurrs said:
The govt shall make no laws re: establishment or practice of religion. If this was the first of a series exploring different religions I'd be okay with it. It is not. A clear preference for one religion over another. Maybe not against the letter of the Constitution, certainly against the spirit of it.
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Where's the law?

Look. The 1st Amendment is a very precise and very clear statement. Don't go adding things to it that the Framers didn't say.
 
mrjurrs said:
There is a thousand things you can't do that the Cs is silent on.
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Oh. So you are saying there is ANOTHER law out there that says this is illegal? Show me.
 
Mycroft said:
Where's the law?

Look. The 1st Amendment is a very precise and very clear statement. Don't go adding things to it that the Framers didn't say.
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You really don't understand how the Constitution works do you?
 
apdst said:
Says who? Don't say The Constitutionn because it doesn't say the first damn thing about "seperation of church and state".
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Doesn't matter how many times you've said it, you are incorrect. The words are not in there, the meaning is...
 
mrjurrs said:
Most real Americans.
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Really? You really think most "real" Americans care if Pompeo talks to one religious group and not another?

LOL!!

I don't think you are talking about "real" Americans. You are talking about "Trump-hating" Americans.
 
Roadvirus said:
Maybe the Democrats need to waste millions of dollars investigating this!
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They could probably get it done for the cost of one djt golf trip.
 
mrjurrs said:
Doesn't matter how many times you've said it, you are incorrect. The words are not in there, the meaning is...
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If the words aren't there, the meaning certainly isn't. :lamo
 
Mycroft said:
Tell me.
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The Constitution was written. Since then amendments have been added and judicial review established. The Constitution means what the most recent interpretation of it means.
 
mrjurrs said:
Oooh, snarkiness used incorrectly. Pompeo is specifically the government.
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Really? Wow. When did Pompeo become the legislature, executive, and judiciary. Thats amazing. Was their a vote or did he just decide to become this.
 
Condor060 said:
Really? Wow. When did Pompeo become the legislature, executive, and judiciary. Thats amazing. Was their a vote or did he just decide to become this.
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Purposefully ignorant? The govt is more than brick and mortar just as it is more than the laws we follow. The people of the government are the government. If they aren't please show the laws votes or whatever else your ilk has thrown out that gives individual government employees the right to enforce or administer the laws of the United States.
 
Lutherf said:
So, since that ain't happenin' we're all good with this then?
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Are you saying that our government is not favoring one religion over another? (muslim travel ban)
 
Airyaman said:
It is, please read.

Establishment Clause | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.
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Pompeo isn't the Government. It forbids the legislature, executive, or judiciary from taking actions for or against religion. It doesn't mean the the president can't have prayer in the WH, or Pompeo can't speak at a Christian function, or the WH can't celebrate Christmas or Easter.

You're being ridiculous.
 
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