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Trump admin tramples Constitution again

Virtue signaling is OK with Conservatives if it's proselytizing Christian myths. Didn't ya know?
 
Airyaman said:
You do realize displays can contain words too right? There were words on that photo. I assume since you type in English here you can read them.
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So simply the word 'Christian' is an unconstitutional display now? Says who?
 
Airyaman said:
Stuff like this has already been beaten down in the courts. I've already linked an article about religious displays.
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He gave a speech at a Christian event. That's protected by the 1st Amendment.
 
Airyaman said:
Establishment Clause | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.
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I see nothing about an announcement of Pompeo's speech as favoring one religion over another nor about him preferring religion over non-religion or vice versa.

I think you are trying very hard to make a mountain out of a nothingburger.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
He gave this tardspeech at an official State Dept event. Using taxpayer dollars.

It's clearly a violation of the Establishment Clause to any rational adult.
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It wasn't at a State Dept. event. I am speaking solely of having that opening graphic and then hosting the content of that speech on a federal government website. Let him put it on another website and I have zero issues with it. He simply cannot have it on the State Dept's website.
 
Mycroft said:
I see nothing about an announcement of Pompeo's speech as favoring one religion over another nor about him preferring religion over non-religion or vice versa.

I think you are trying very hard to make a mountain out of a nothingburger.
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So I expect he'll host the content of his speech on being a good Muslim leader or good atheist next week?
 
Maybe the Democrats need to waste millions of dollars investigating this!
 
Airyaman said:
You do realize displays can contain words too right? There were words on that photo. I assume since you type in English here you can read them.
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The 'display' is a picture of Pompeo. Are you saying it is illegal to place the word Christian on anything? In what court has this been decided?
 
Airyaman said:
This is not about his religion, it's about what is being displayed on a federal government website.

Please try to keep up, the thread is not that long.
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You stated it was a constitutional violation. Maybe you should keep up with your own post.
 
Fletch said:
So simply the word 'Christian' is an unconstitutional display now? Says who?
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The content of that speech, including text and video, is hosted on a federal government website. That is not allowed.

apdst said:
He gave a speech at a Christian event. That's protected by the 1st Amendment.
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Yes, it is. Hosting the content of said speech on a federal government website is a violated of the establishment clause of the first amendment. Let him host it on another website not owned by the federal government and I have zero issues.
 
Fletch said:
Ah, a Constitutional scholar has arrived. Please dazzle me with your brilliance as to why and how this violates the Constitution
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I think you'd understand if you signed on and saw an ad for representative Hussein's speech to a mosque or representative Bill Maher's address to the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

I get ****ing sick of American Christians playing dumb around separation of church and state. Do you believe my taxes should go to advertise religious speeches made by public servants? Do you have any clue why making America a theocracy is to destroy all that is right about it?

Christians only seem to comprehend their own oppression and go brain dead when their oppression of others is mentioned.
 
Condor060 said:
You stated it was a constitutional violation. Maybe you should keep up with your own post.
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It is, please read.

Establishment Clause | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.
 
Fletch said:
Hardly. That is not a religious 'display'
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Display - make a prominent exhibition of (something) in a place where it can be easily seen.

I would say hosting the speech on the State Dept.s website fits that definition like a glove.
 
D_NATURED said:
I think you'd understand if you signed on and saw an ad for representative Hussein's speech to a mosque or representative Bill Maher's address to the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

I get ****ing sick of American Christians playing dumb around separation of church and state. Do you believe my taxes should go to advertise religious speeches made by public servants? Do you have any clue why making America a theocracy is to destroy all that is right about it?

Christians only seem to comprehend their own oppression and go brain dead when their oppression of others is mentioned.
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LOL Oppression :lamo And you wonder why we dont take you guys seriously.
 
Airyaman said:
The content of that speech, including text and video, is hosted on a federal government website. That is not allowed.



Yes, it is. Hosting the content of said speech on a federal government website is a violated of the establishment clause of the first amendment. Let him host it on another website not owned by the federal government and I have zero issues.
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Says who? Don't say The Constitutionn because it doesn't say the first damn thing about "seperation of church and state".
 
D_NATURED said:
I think you'd understand if you signed on and saw an ad for representative Hussein's speech to a mosque or representative Bill Maher's address to the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

I get ****ing sick of American Christians playing dumb around separation of church and state. Do you believe my taxes should go to advertise religious speeches made by public servants? Do you have any clue why making America a theocracy is to destroy all that is right about it?

Christians only seem to comprehend their own oppression and go brain dead when their oppression of others is mentioned.
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I get ****ing sick of Liberals claiming that there is such a thing.
 
apdst said:
Says who? Don't say The Constitutionn because it doesn't say the first damn thing about "seperation of church and state".
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separation of church and state | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

A phrase most famously used by Supreme Court Justice Black in the case of Everson v. Board of Education. In discussing the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, Justice Black said that the clause erected a "wall of separation between church and state." He explained that this means, among other things, that the government cannot participate in the affairs of a religious group, set up a church, aid or prefer one religion over another, or aid or prefer religion over nonreligion.
 
Airyaman said:
That is what you'll find currently on the front page of the State Department's website.

U.S. Department of State - United States Department of State

Seriously, this administration doesn't care how many horrible things it does, it just does as it pleases.
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I think the church / state issue is minor. Politicians give speeches at churches, mosques etc all the time. Posting that he's giving this speech on the state department website is questionable. We have much much bigger fish to fry.

I find the hypocrisy amusing, "Being a Christian Leader." Pompeo is out there lying and covering stuff up. That's not being a "Christian leader."
 
Mycroft said:
What does this have to do with the Constitution?

I've seen nothing in that document about "separation of church and state".
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The govt shall make no laws re: establishment or practice of religion. If this was the first of a series exploring different religions I'd be okay with it. It is not. A clear preference for one religion over another. Maybe not against the letter of the Constitution, certainly against the spirit of it.
 
Airyaman said:
Display - make a prominent exhibition of (something) in a place where it can be easily seen.
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The word display in this context is a noun, not a verb and this is not a religious display.
 
Airyaman said:
separation of church and state | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

A phrase most famously used by Supreme Court Justice Black in the case of Everson v. Board of Education. In discussing the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, Justice Black said that the clause erected a "wall of separation between church and state." He explained that this means, among other things, that the government cannot participate in the affairs of a religious group, set up a church, aid or prefer one religion over another, or aid or prefer religion over nonreligion.
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Yeah, that isn't what The Constitution says.

This is why the courts don't have the power to make law, nor change The Constitution.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I think the church / state issue is minor. Politicians give speeches at churches, mosques etc all the time. Posting that he's giving this speech on the state department website is questionable. We have much much bigger fish to fry.

I find the hypocrisy amusing, "Being a Christian Leader." Pompeo is out there lying and covering stuff up. That's not being a "Christian leader."
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The entire speech, video and text, is hosted on the State Dept.'s website.

Being a Christian Leader - United States Department of State
 
apdst said:
Yeah, that isn't what The Constitution says.

This is why the courts don't have the power to make law, nor change The Constitution.
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Well, take it to court then. It's pretty much been established that you can't do this sort of stuff.
 
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