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Warren is a capitalist, guys. How about that?

Of course Warren is a capitalist. Why would this be a surprise? Only the least knowledgeable conservatives are screaming 'socialist' and 'communist' all over the place. They've started to believe their own BS and are the only people who'll be surprised to find that all the Democratic candidates support a capitalist economy.
 
So are the Bernie bros going to start calling her a white nationalist now?
:lamo
 
tacomancer said:
One of the major reasons I support Warren over Sanders is that Warren is pro capitalist.
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But more importantly pro-consumer and that’s something I can’t wrap my head around with many American Conservatives, many are pro business to the point of hurting their own citizens by creating what I like to call predatory capitalism that are just destroying the populace financially and it’s not necessary.
 
Sander's hospital stay pretty much put him out of the running.

The democrats might elect him as candidate, but he'll never beat Trump. He's too old.
 
swing_voter said:
Sander's hospital stay pretty much put him out of the running.

The democrats might elect him as candidate, but he'll never beat Trump. He's too old.
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Interesting how you describe yourself as a swing voter but almost always go on the attack against Democratic candidates. ;)
 
Warren is a Capitalist in the same way that Kim Jong Un oversees a Republic. She uses the term "accountable capitalism" which generally means that businesses can do whatever they want as long as they do things her way.

She wants to take management of the corporations away from the owners and hand it to the employees. She wants to restrict executive compensation. She wants to restrict how corporations can spend their earnings. She wants to micro-manage Wall Street. She wants to break up industry leading corporations. And it goes on...

Elizabeth Warren isn't a Capitalist even if she says she is and even if Bernie says she is. She's a politician and she wants to convert economic power into political power. That's all she wants to do.
 
Sanders, who is trailing Warren in those polls, sought to cast himself as the candidate farthest to the left among the 2020 field
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I don't know that "my policy positions make me even more unelectable than Warren!" is the best campaign message for him right now.
 
Grandpappy said:
Well, the pivot right by the Dem frontrunner has begun.

Sanders draws line between himself and Warren: A '''capitalist to her bones'''

Which makes me wonder if the Dem candidates will even discuss the economy tomorrow.
They've pretty much avoided in in the other debates.
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I have no idea why Bernie supporters keep denying he's a socialist. He's not a social Democrat. He's a Democratic Socialist. He tries to make it sound like it's not that bad in practice. But it is that bad in ideology.

A Democratic Socialists believes that the ultimate goal is all-out socialism. Not USSR type socialism but some democracy where people vote on what kind iphones we will produce. It's a fantasy like the libertarian fantasies. It doesn't work anywhere.

The Scandinavian countries are social democracies.
 
Lutherf said:
Warren is a Capitalist in the same way that Kim Jong Un oversees a Republic. She uses the term "accountable capitalism" which generally means that businesses can do whatever they want as long as they do things her way.

She wants to take management of the corporations away from the owners and hand it to the employees. She wants to restrict executive compensation. She wants to restrict how corporations can spend their earnings. She wants to micro-manage Wall Street. She wants to break up industry leading corporations. And it goes on...

Elizabeth Warren isn't a Capitalist even if she says she is and even if Bernie says she is. She's a politician and she wants to convert economic power into political power. That's all she wants to do.
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You don't see how your attempts to paint everyone a socialist has empowered real socialist.

People have heard the cry of "socialist! socialist!" so much now that they ignore it and even embrace it.

I don't think you understand the difference between capitalism and socialism. Your claims sound rather ignorant to be honest.
 
Lutherf said:
Warren is a Capitalist in the same way that Kim Jong Un oversees a Republic. She uses the term "accountable capitalism" which generally means that businesses can do whatever they want as long as they do things her way.

She wants to take management of the corporations away from the owners and hand it to the employees. She wants to restrict executive compensation. She wants to restrict how corporations can spend their earnings. She wants to micro-manage Wall Street. She wants to break up industry leading corporations. And it goes on...

Elizabeth Warren isn't a Capitalist even if she says she is and even if Bernie says she is. She's a politician and she wants to convert economic power into political power. That's all she wants to do.
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She's going after retirement funds. I don't think that ordinary voters are going to appreciate this.
 
Lutherf said:
Warren is a Capitalist in the same way that Kim Jong Un oversees a Republic. She uses the term "accountable capitalism" which generally means that businesses can do whatever they want as long as they do things her way.

She wants to take management of the corporations away from the owners and hand it to the employees. She wants to restrict executive compensation. She wants to restrict how corporations can spend their earnings. She wants to micro-manage Wall Street. She wants to break up industry leading corporations. And it goes on...

Elizabeth Warren isn't a Capitalist even if she says she is and even if Bernie says she is. She's a politician and she wants to convert economic power into political power. That's all she wants to do.
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What's wrong with that? Do corporations themselves always make decisions that are beneficial to their employees, or society as a whole? They can and should be held accountable.
 
Jetboogieman said:
But more importantly pro-consumer and that’s something I can’t wrap my head around with many American Conservatives, many are pro business to the point of hurting their own citizens by creating what I like to call predatory capitalism that are just destroying the populace financially and it’s not necessary.
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She's not pro-consumer. What benefits consumers are competitive markets which lead to lots of choices, low prices, and widespread prosperity. Warren, like Trump, and like Sanders, is pro-American worker, which makes consumers in America worse off, while also making other countries worse off as well.

Pro-consumer is the only position that makes the American people best off as a whole, because we are all consumers. Every single man, woman, and child is a consumer. If you support using legislation, trade deals, tariffs, and other forms of government intervention in order to benefit certain groups like American workers or American corporations or American industries, then you are both making the US worse off and the rest of the world worse off as well.
 
Grandpappy said:
Well, the pivot right by the Dem frontrunner has begun.

Sanders draws line between himself and Warren: A '''capitalist to her bones'''

Which makes me wonder if the Dem candidates will even discuss the economy tomorrow.
They've pretty much avoided in in the other debates.
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Warren's a native American too, and was once fired by a male principal for being pregnant.
And then there's that cookbook of hers... :lol:
She can call herself a capitalist, but if we were to believe her, she'd have to explain why she seeks to destroy it.

Sen. Warren's Plan To 'Fix' Capitalism Would Destroy Trillions In Market Value

Free Markets: If Elizabeth Warren had her way, hundreds of the largest U.S. companies would have to get permission from the federal government to operate. Warren calls it the "Accountable Capitalism Act." A better label would be the "Capitalism Destruction Act," which is why even some liberals are balking at her radical plan.

Warren's bill would require every U.S. company with more than $1 billion in revenue to obtain a federal charter to operate. To get that charter, the companies would have to comply with Warren's vision for how businesses should be organized and run.

The biggest mandate would be for companies to consider not just shareholders, but "stakeholders," when making business decisions. That means, instead of focusing on maximizing returns for the owners of the company, corporations would have to consider the things like the environment, racial justice, community activists, workers and whatever else Warren decides to stuff into that impossibly vague "stakeholders" term.
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swing_voter said:
Sander's hospital stay pretty much put him out of the running.

The democrats might elect him as candidate, but he'll never beat Trump. He's too old.
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That'll definitely be an issue for him, but I doubt it'll make him lose the election. Also, I think his hospital stay actually boosted his support, but I'll have to find the source for that claim. If I find it, I'll post it later.

SonOfDaedalus said:
I have no idea why Bernie supporters keep denying he's a socialist. He's not a social Democrat. He's a Democratic Socialist. He tries to make it sound like it's not that bad in practice. But it is that bad in ideology.

A Democratic Socialists believes that the ultimate goal is all-out socialism. Not USSR type socialism but some democracy where people vote on what kind iphones we will produce. It's a fantasy like the libertarian fantasies. It doesn't work anywhere.

The Scandinavian countries are social democracies.
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Besides his claim that he's not a capitalist (which can be chalked up to Bernie's skewed definitions of capitalism and socialism), I can't think of anything that would indicate that he's a democratic socialist, and not just a social democrat. His support of co-operatives comes close, but he hasn't stated that he is in support of seizing the means of reproduction and only wants to promote them. Also, if we say this makes him a socialist, Warren and Gillibrand are also socialists.
 
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Lutherf said:
Warren is a Capitalist in the same way that Kim Jong Un oversees a Republic. She uses the term "accountable capitalism" which generally means that businesses can do whatever they want as long as they do things her way.
She wants to take management of the corporations away from the owners and hand it to the employees. She wants to restrict executive compensation. She wants to restrict how corporations can spend their earnings. She wants to micro-manage Wall Street. She wants to break up industry leading corporations. And it goes on...
Elizabeth Warren isn't a Capitalist even if she says she is and even if Bernie says she is. She's a politician and she wants to convert economic power into political power. That's all she wants to do.
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Lutherf, in the real world, America has a great economy because it's an accountable, well-regulated economy. All large, successful economies in the world have similar mixed systems.

So Warren supports the U.S. system.
All companies have restrictions on how they treat employees, what their management can do, etc. This is a fact Lutherf, and you don't appear to know even the most basic facts...yet you're still posting the above rubbish.

Elizabeth Warren, like most Democrats, supports our current system just improved in the areas that are currently failing the United States.

Trump/Republicans gave corporations and the wealthy huge tax cuts and ensured companies can more freely pollute our environment, so that they can earn profits off it. That's the extent of how Republciasn address the economy...you lose with Trump, you gain with Warren, whether you get it or not.
 
nota bene said:
She's going after retirement funds. I don't think that ordinary voters are going to appreciate this.
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She’s going after anything that looks like money. She wants federal control of industry and the resulting economy. That makes her a Socialist. The only reason she uses the term “accountable capitalism” is because, as a politician, she realizes that a lot of voters in the middle will be turned off. Bernie, meanwhile, embraces the “Socialist” moniker because that’s what people have come to expect of him.
 
Warren is a lousy socialist and an even worse capitalist.
 
Phys251 said:
Interesting how you describe yourself as a swing voter but almost always go on the attack against Democratic candidates. ;)
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Out of the 20, Bernie is most extreme. Why wouldn't I attack an extreme candidate?

I like Biden, Buttigeig and a few others.
 
swing_voter said:
Out of the 20, Bernie is most extreme. Why wouldn't I attack an extreme candidate?
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As expected you dodged my point. :) Why do you almost always attack the "liberal" candidates and not the fascist one?
 
Mach said:
Lutherf, in the real world, America has a great economy because it's an accountable, well-regulated economy. All large, successful economies in the world have similar mixed systems.

So Warren supports the U.S. system.
All companies have restrictions on how they treat employees, what their management can do, etc. This is a fact Lutherf, and you don't appear to know even the most basic facts...yet you're still posting the above rubbish.

Elizabeth Warren, like most Democrats, supports our current system just improved in the areas that are currently failing the United States.

Trump/Republicans gave corporations and the wealthy huge tax cuts and ensured companies can more freely pollute our environment, so that they can earn profits off it. That's the extent of how Republciasn address the economy...you lose with Trump, you gain with Warren, whether you get it or not.
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Elizabeth Warren will take your 401(k) and replace it with some form of federal guaranteed income and you’ll applaud her for doing so.
 
Grandpappy said:
Well, the pivot right by the Dem frontrunner has begun.

Sanders draws line between himself and Warren: A '''capitalist to her bones'''

Which makes me wonder if the Dem candidates will even discuss the economy tomorrow.
They've pretty much avoided in in the other debates.
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She's always been pro business, but her philosophy, as she has said, many times, "I believe ( when it comes to the free market economy ) there should be a cop on the beat." She started the Consumer Financial Protection Agency ( dismantled by Trump/Mulvaney )


Being pro CFPA, does not establish that you are anti-business, it means that you recognize the tendency of an unregulated free market to aggregate capital and power away from the many to a smaller and smaller few, that this is not good for America, and consumers need someone looking out for them to keep a market place that loves to rig things in it's favor.

She is by no means a "dem socialist'. which is why I'm voting for her.
 
Lutherf said:
Elizabeth Warren will take your 401(k) and replace it with some form of federal guaranteed income and you’ll applaud her for doing so.
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Er......have you ever heard of a thing called Social Security?


Duh !
 
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