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The Commie behind every corner goofballs.

Drawdown said:
The commies are too busy trying to help Trump get re-elected to be worrying about taking over businesses....or so the very liberal people would want us to believe.
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What does that even mean.
 
apdst said:
You support all the communust policies that the Democrats come up with.

If you're saying social security is a safety net, you're wrong. It's wealth redistribution.
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and the hate group voice keeps on puking out nonsense
 
truthatallcost said:
Familiar elements of communism do in fact saturate the American left, but largely on a subconscious level. Government doesn't own the means of production in the USA, rather the largest companies own government. This exists on an international level, where some of the companies influencing American policies aren't even American companies, and many American companies that wield power in D.C. run the actual production side of their business outside the country, in China or India for example.

Communisms' legacy still influences the American left in the collectivism that the left employs in order to categorize people based upon identity and an encouraged sense of victimhood, which then becomes a voting bloc. The left's proletariat is comprised of anyone who has decided that society has wronged them based upon race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. And the modern bourgeois which must be punished and ultimately eliminated is the white middle and working class that voted for Trump in 2016.
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One more time you don't get to make up your own definition of communism, it already has one and buddy that definition say there is no socialim or communism in this country. I know the hate group needs this argument and I also know they don't really care if it is true or not. They are controlled by each others lies. Where would this hate group be if the commie behind every bush and the Democrats want to take all our guns , both 100% lies but like I've always said without lies and distortions the hate party couldn't or wouldn't exist. One more time so maybe it will sink in , each and everyone of you people from the hate party can't make up your own definitions of Communism and socialism, nor can you define the 2nd amendment. They have their own definition already.
 
right wing wacko
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makes for a great start to any discussion, and is sure to win over those with whom one disagrees.
 
truthatallcost said:
I never said that the American left are communists, I said that some elements of communism infect the left on a largely subconscious level even today. You've probably read the Communist Manifesto, which was and is the premier source of communist ideas. Government owning and controlling every aspect of commerce is perhaps the only part of the Manifesto that isn't actively embraced today by a significant portion of the left. And that's only because most people are well informed of the disastrous results that accompany a society where government runs business. The abject failure of communism to offer a better economic system then capitalism is well known.

- viewing history primarily from the relationship between oppressors and the oppressed: this has been embraced by the left, and it's taught on every college campus save for a few.

- identity based collectivism, which focuses on hatred of a group of people based upon their identity, & dehumanizing rhetoric used aggressively against that 'enemy'. This tactic was used by the Soviets to create ethnic genocide against Ukraine, as well as others.

- obsession with unrealistic goals for equality, which ultimately sabotage the greater health of society.

There's more, but I get the feeling you're not going to distinguish my point from your initial OP's singular focus upon the communist economic model.
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I will try to make this simple , without government ownership of American businesses and the control of selling the production of the business , there is no communism or socialism. and no a safety net in no way makes that government communist or socialist. IF it did then ever single government back to and including the Roman empire is communist or socialist. It seem I can't get the little bell to ring in your ear. people who can think beyond their hypocrisy can hear my little bell I'm ringing but the right needs this stupid crap that is totally bull**** because it is one of the prime draws to their voters. You take their two lies away from them, The commie behind every corner routine and that the democrats want to take their guns away, two total lies and without those to positions the right has no party. You don't get your own definition of Communism socialism or the 2nd Amendment, there already is one. an buddy the truth, the real definition of these things doesn't drive your little clown car in center ring.
 
apdst said:
Damn right I hate communists. I hate communists as much as I hate fascists.
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Dam Right although there none here to worry about but I do hate , even more then hate, threats and enemy's of my country and that would be president scum bag and the bagets that follow him , they have sold out this country, it's flag and constitution and all patriots hate Scum bag and all his hate driven followers. but they will be gone soon enough , as they should , so good point big guy.
 
soylentgreen said:
Why is it that i am always confronted by someone who imagines that thinking up really stupid ways of doing communism is a clever way of saying communism is stupid.

Do you not see the simplistic stupidity in saying that the working class should just swap their slavery from an elite class of wealthy capitalist to that of an elite ruling class of government. ?
The government that is spoken of and that you are desperate to quote mine by not speaking of it is a government of the working class themselves.
What you refer to is a special condition that marx has stated as a classless society. And apparently you are of the belief that this state will magically appear fully formed.

You are nothing more than another who cannot tell the difference between religion and philosophy by your attempt to demand that these words must be taken as gospel rather than thought through and applied to present conditions.
We do not live in a classless society, a classless society will not magically appear.

Your words reflect only a belief by marx held by the fact that he lived in a society where only by destroying the then present absolute power of the upper classes could workers finally gain control. Those conditions no longer exist so then nor does the need to for the state to own anything.

This is a philosophy we are discussing not a religion. Next time you quote marx try to put some actual thinking in to what was said instead of pretending that mindless devotion to the words is all that is needed.
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Not a clue about me or socialism or communism, other then your own made up definition of communism and socialism . you don't seem to have a clue about that at all. , You don't get your own definition of socialism or communism because there already is one and big guy you wasting bandwidth trying to make up a definition to fit into your bull****. It just doesn't work that way. By the way you right now are commenting to a person(me) who is probably the biggest capitalist that you know. I've made more then half my income off the markets for 50 years now. My guess by your response is that your just a pup.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Good4Nothin seems to think many or most leftists sympathize with socialism.
That is not the same as the facts on the ground, but it is difficult to break through the decades of hidebound ignorance and put a stop to the continuous stream of RED BAITING practiced by low information people like that.

They engage in attention-seeking behavior like RED BAITING when they don't have a valid point to make.
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He won't answer the simple question, when was the last time anyone came up to you and said "you know I think it would be a good idea if government owns and operates all business in this country and that they also should be charged with the distribution of of the product produced by these businesses , The answer of course is never but if they are truthful and respond ,it takes away every bull **** idea that they have about those forms of government and tattoos stupid on their forehead/ That dumps every possible stupid idea that this hate group has about Communism and socialism in this country. They do the exact same type of lying bull**** with the second amendment also. They're the clowns that are driving around inside the micro car at the center ring.
 
jbander said:
He won't answer the simple question, when was the last time anyone came up to you and said "you know I think it would be a good idea if government owns and operates all business in this country and that they also should be charged with the distribution of of the product produced by these businesses , The answer of course is never but if they are truthful and respond ,it takes away every bull **** idea that they have about those forms of government and tattoos stupid on their forehead/ That dumps every possible stupid idea that this hate group has about Communism and socialism in this country. They do the exact same type of lying bull**** with the second amendment also. They're the clowns that are driving around inside the micro car at the center ring.
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When people resort to RED BAITING it means they don't actually have anything to respond with. They might as well just be a station wagon filled with bratty seven year olds yelling "POOPYHEAD!" out the window as they drive by.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I agree with the OP's definition of communism and socialism. It might sound nice to say everything should be owned by the people, by the workers. But that can only be accomplished by the central government, supposedly doing the will of the people who elected it.

It might sound good, but it isn't good. The central government must confiscate all private property by force. And then, since the people have lost all their possessions and money, they are powerless. The government, the communist party, becomes all-powerful.

And then the government makes a mess of trying to manage the entire economy. Central planning does not work.

The system appears to work for a while, because it has all that confiscated wealth. But the central planners have no way to create a genuine economic system, so it slowly grinds to a halt as the confiscated wealth runs out.

But the OP doesn't seem to understand that many or most leftists sympathize with socialism.
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Capitalism is the only way because of it's promise of the potential to get ahead , but the hate party has taken that away from this country for more then 40 years now, since the trickle down lie. All the new massive wealth of this country has trickled up to the to the top golden few, as is required and demanded by the right. No on who cared about this country would do that, you can't take the driving force behind what makes capitalism the only way without ultimately destroying this country. They care little about this country, their concern and driving force is their pocket book. This group in so many ways is bad for this country. Their hate that drives them and the trickle down lie both have to go to save this country.
 
apdst said:
You support all the communust policies that the Democrats come up with.

If you're saying social security is a safety net, you're wrong. It's wealth redistribution.
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The stupid patch stops here , Social Security that is paid into by it's recipients is communism , thanks for proving everything I've said here . Your willingness to show how small your mind is comical.. There's still trillions paid ahead by the workers in this country, in there social security accounting.
 
Lovebug said:
makes for a great start to any discussion, and is sure to win over those with whom one disagrees.
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In no way am I trying to get support and friends here and in no way do I think I'll change these haters mindset. but I want them back underneath the rocks they came from. they have been forced to stay under those rocks for many decades now by the shame that this country morals, mora's and conscience have kept them there . I simply want them put back under their rock and a stronger foot is needed to keep them there, so they don't get another chance ever to destroy this country.
 
truthatallcost said:
I never said that the American left are communists, I said that some elements of communism infect the left on a largely subconscious level even today. You've probably read the Communist Manifesto, which was and is the premier source of communist ideas. Government owning and controlling every aspect of commerce is perhaps the only part of the Manifesto that isn't actively embraced today by a significant portion of the left. And that's only because most people are well informed of the disastrous results that accompany a society where government runs business. The abject failure of communism to offer a better economic system then capitalism is well known.

- viewing history primarily from the relationship between oppressors and the oppressed: this has been embraced by the left, and it's taught on every college campus save for a few.

- identity based collectivism, which focuses on hatred of a group of people based upon their identity, & dehumanizing rhetoric used aggressively against that 'enemy'. This tactic was used by the Soviets to create ethnic genocide against Ukraine, as well as others.

- obsession with unrealistic goals for equality, which ultimately sabotage the greater health of society.

There's more, but I get the feeling you're not going to distinguish my point from your initial OP's singular focus upon the communist economic model.
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again You can't make up your own definition of socialism or communism to fit into a product that you need to attack democrats with , in fact take away the hate party's two total completes lies , democrats are commies and democrats want to take your guns away, both total lies but without which you couldn't exist as a party ,You wouldn't have the votes. it's almost pitiful and you know it, so you will sell your soul to make your definition on both socialism and guns fact. Yes I know exactly why you poor pups are putting up such a fuss on total lie's. I think it was you(TRUTHATALLCOST) that said the only thing that democrats don't do anymore is the means of production is owned and run by the government. Which kind of throws a wrench into your sales pitch , that one main tenet is needed for communism or socialism to exist , so your saying its not there, so your saying there is no socialism/communism, thanks that's my point. You said democrats still do everything else other then means of production comment, but that is just nonsense , Does government own everything in this country , all natural resources and your town you live in :IN Commie land there is no privately owned anything. Collectivism, no competition in production or in the marketplace, government controlling the level of production, classless society, Commie absolutely no religion.
TRUTHATALLCOST SAYS THAT ALL THESE THINGS EXIST IN OUR COUNTRY< IN FACT EVERYONE IN THE HATE PARTY SAY THE EXAMPLES LISTED EXIST IN THIS COUNTRY. WHICH OF COURSE IS BULL**** TAKE AWAY THE COMMIE ROUTINE AND THE LIE ABOUT THE DEMS. WANTING TO TAKE ALL THEIR GUNS AWAY AND THIS RIGHT WING FORM OF GOVERNMENT that EXIST NOW WILL SIMPLY DISAPPEAR_THEY NEED THESE TWO LIES TO EXIST.
 
Have I been thrown out of here yet, am I in the sewer or those other place they send us to.
 
Just figured it out , just look up and it tells you where you are , Never mind.
 
apdst said:
Do you agree with "from each according to his means, to each according to his needs"?
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How about "To whom much is given, much will be required and to the one much is entrusted, even more will be required"?
 
upsideguy said:
How about "To whom much is given, much will be required and to the one much is entrusted, even more will be required"?
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Who would that be? Is there where you falsely claim that tax cuts = giving people money?
 
jbander said:
The stupid patch stops here , Social Security that is paid into by it's recipients is communism , thanks for proving everything I've said here . Your willingness to show how small your mind is comical.. There's still trillions paid ahead by the workers in this country, in there social security accounting.
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It's become nothing more than wealth redistribution.
 
jbander said:
Dam Right although there none here to worry about but I do hate , even more then hate, threats and enemy's of my country and that would be president scum bag and the bagets that follow him , they have sold out this country, it's flag and constitution and all patriots hate Scum bag and all his hate driven followers. but they will be gone soon enough , as they should , so good point big guy.
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Still mad about the election, bro? :lamo
 
apdst said:
Who would that be? Is there where you falsely claim that tax cuts = giving people money?
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The answer to that is in your heart. Perhaps you should look it up. Read it in the context and reflect upon it.
 
upsideguy said:
The answer to that is in your heart. Perhaps you should look it up. Read it in the context and reflect upon it.
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IOW, you borrowed a verse from the Bible to promote communism.
 
apdst said:
IOW, you borrowed a verse from the Bible to promote communism.
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Obviously you don't understand the verse, that is why I suggested you read it in context.

May I also point out that as a serial entrepreneur who has only had 5 W-2s in 25 years, I don't think one would accuse me of promoting communism. I do, however, believe in social responsibility, and that stewardship of our blessing extends to caring for those that are less blessed. That sir, is a pervasive Biblical theme.
 
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