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6 Ways the Salem Witch Trials were Fairer than the Democrats Impeachment Inquiry.

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1. The Right to Be Informed of the Nature of an Accusation
2. The Right to Public Hearings
3. The Right to Confront and Cross-Examine Witnesses
4. A Legal Predicate
5. The Presumption of Innocence
6. Spectral Evidence

It’s fascinating that Pelosi cloaks herself in the “rule of law” when she cannot muster minimum principles of due process that attended the witch trials of Salem almost 100 years before the U.S. Constitution. Since the witch trials, our founders codified many of these principles in the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution (a public trial, public witness testimony, the right to know the crimes one is accused of, the right to confront and cross-examine witnesses, etc.)

Thus, calling the Ukraine inquiry a “witch trial” is literally an insult to witch trials.
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I understand that many here are completely happy with the kangaroo court nature of “Trial by leaks and lies”. I get that. But like why there are rules of war, you and your enemy agree to not do certain thing to each other. Trump is likely going to be around in 2020, and will retake the House according to what research you choose to hang your hat on.

To settle scores after 2020, there are a group of democrat House and Senate members who are presumed to be crooked and can be destroyed by this technique designed by Pelosi, including Pelosi herself due to influence peddling in the bay area by the Pelosi family. In a tightly regulated state like California, it takes connections to get things done, and those connections have a price. And that price is the exclusion of competitors who can’t jump environmental hurdles without those connections.

In Trump, we may have found a leader who is just as duplicitous as the Democrats to “out democrat the democrats” after 2020.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I’m actually embarrassed for you.
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I'm not.

I'm actually surprised it took 3 days for this wonderful Rudyism to catch fire here.

We are well past the point of no return on the investment of embarrassment.
 
chuckiechan said:
I understand that many here are completely happy with the kangaroo court nature of “Trial by leaks and lies”. I get that. But like why there are rules of war, you and your enemy agree to not do certain thing to each other. Trump is likely going to be around in 2020, and will retake the House according to what research you choose to hang your hat on.

To settle scores after 2020, there are a group of democrat House and Senate members who are presumed to be crooked and can be destroyed by this technique designed by Pelosi, including Pelosi herself due to influence peddling in the bay area by the Pelosi family. In a tightly regulated state like California, it takes connections to get things done, and those connections have a price. And that price is the exclusion of competitors who can’t jump environmental hurdles without those connections.

In Trump, we may have found a leader who is just as duplicitous as the Democrats to “out democrat the democrats” after 2020.
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The right whinge- "It's all so unfair!"
 
chuckiechan said:
I understand that many here are completely happy with the kangaroo court nature of “Trial by leaks and lies”. I get that. But like why there are rules of war, you and your enemy agree to not do certain thing to each other. Trump is likely going to be around in 2020, and will retake the House according to what research you choose to hang your hat on.

To settle scores after 2020, there are a group of democrat House and Senate members who are presumed to be crooked and can be destroyed by this technique designed by Pelosi, including Pelosi herself due to influence peddling in the bay area by the Pelosi family. In a tightly regulated state like California, it takes connections to get things done, and those connections have a price. And that price is the exclusion of competitors who can’t jump environmental hurdles without those connections.

In Trump, we may have found a leader who is just as duplicitous as the Democrats to “out democrat the democrats” after 2020.
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Trump believes in the rule of law and the process of justice. He will never resort to the Dem's politically corrupt tactics.
 
chuckiechan said:
1. The Right to Be Informed of the Nature of an Accusation
2. The Right to Public Hearings
3. The Right to Confront and Cross-Examine Witnesses
4. A Legal Predicate
5. The Presumption of Innocence
6. Spectral Evidence
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You are comparing a trial to an inquiry. None of those requirements apply to an inquiry except a legal predicate, which exists. And I assume you added the right to "Spectral Evidence" as a joke.

I think at this point it is highly unlikely that Trump will still be president after 2020. If he is, it is even less likely that he will make it for another full term before a second successful impeachment. Say what you want about the left, they were right about at least one thing from the very beginning: Trump simply does not have the moral character, intelligence, or demeanor to survive as President of the United States, let alone be effective at it.
 
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There's no justice in an impeachment. The process is 100% political.

If no republicans join in the call for impeachment, it's completely partisan and voter will feel that their votes have been canceled by the democrats.
 
Mycroft said:
Trump believes in the rule of law and the process of justice. He will never resort to the Dem's politically corrupt tactics.
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Yeah, all of that is pure uncut bull**** of the highest calibre.
That you believe it is hilarious.
 
We are in what one might call the grand jury stage of the impeachment. The trial, where the factors described above are listed, comes later.
 
chuckiechan said:
I understand that many here are completely happy with the kangaroo court nature of “Trial by leaks and lies”. I get that. But like why there are rules of war, you and your enemy agree to not do certain thing to each other. Trump is likely going to be around in 2020, and will retake the House according to what research you choose to hang your hat on.

To settle scores after 2020, there are a group of democrat House and Senate members who are presumed to be crooked and can be destroyed by this technique designed by Pelosi, including Pelosi herself due to influence peddling in the bay area by the Pelosi family. In a tightly regulated state like California, it takes connections to get things done, and those connections have a price. And that price is the exclusion of competitors who can’t jump environmental hurdles without those connections.

In Trump, we may have found a leader who is just as duplicitous as the Democrats to “out democrat the democrats” after 2020.
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I agree. In addition to that I think that if Trump is impeached you can count the next Democrat president as already impeached.
 
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Mmhmm...

Yep...

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Totally.

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Mycroft said:
Trump believes in the rule of law and the process of justice. He will never resort to the Dem's politically corrupt tactics.
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Trump is the first Republican with the stones to embrace it. “By any means necessary” is not confined to democrats. Too many Republicans play Mr. Nice Guy and “Lose with Honor”. If Trump doesn’t, the the democrats will do it to the next Republican.

To the thread crappers, you missed the point.

lwf said:
You are comparing a trial to an inquiry. None of those requirements apply to an inquiry except a legal predicate, which exists. And I assume you added the right to "Spectral Evidence" as a joke.

I think at this point it is highly unlikely that Trump will still be president after 2020. If he is, it is even less likely that he will make it for another full term before a second successful impeachment. Say what you want about the left, they were right about at least one thing from the very beginning: Trump simply does not have the moral character, intelligence, or demeanor to survive as President of the United States, let alone be effective at it.
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I guess you are in the “Make China Great Again” camp.
 
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lwf said:
You are comparing a trial to an inquiry. None of those requirements apply to an inquiry except a legal predicate, which exists. And I assume you added the right to "Spectral Evidence" as a joke.

I think at this point it is highly unlikely that Trump will still be president after 2020. If he is, it is even less likely that he will make it for another full term before a second successful impeachment. Say what you want about the left, they were right about at least one thing from the very beginning: Trump simply does not have the moral character, intelligence, or demeanor to survive as President of the United States, let alone be effective at it.
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Talk of impeachment began before Trump's inauguration, and what you're saying here, I think, is that this will never end. Should Trump be re-elected, wouldn't continued attempts to impeach be also an attempt to thwart the will of "we the people"?
 
chuckiechan said:
I understand that many here are completely happy with the kangaroo court nature of “Trial by leaks and lies”. I get that. But like why there are rules of war, you and your enemy agree to not do certain thing to each other. Trump is likely going to be around in 2020, and will retake the House according to what research you choose to hang your hat on.

To settle scores after 2020, there are a group of democrat House and Senate members who are presumed to be crooked and can be destroyed by this technique designed by Pelosi, including Pelosi herself due to influence peddling in the bay area by the Pelosi family. In a tightly regulated state like California, it takes connections to get things done, and those connections have a price. And that price is the exclusion of competitors who can’t jump environmental hurdles without those connections.

In Trump, we may have found a leader who is just as duplicitous as the Democrats to “out democrat the democrats” after 2020.
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Ridiculous bogus comparison. Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one (you should have already heard this about 1,000 times in last few weeks), and as such does not follow the same protocols of a legal criminal trial.

So far, Pelosi hasn’t violated one single rule, and I challenge anyone to prove (with actual, verifiable evidence) otherwise.

Mycroft said:
Trump believes in the rule of law and the process of justice. He will never resort to the Dem's politically corrupt tactics.
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Bwahahahaha!! :2rofll:
 
The fascist Democratic Party furiously demands all due process and civil rights are eliminated on behalf of a totalitarian police state ala Fidel Castro style. Extra stupid progressive minions believe this will give them power, when it means they agree to be nothing but nothing at all - the definition of losers.
 
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chuckiechan said:
I understand that many here are completely happy with the kangaroo court nature of “Trial by leaks and lies”. I get that. But like why there are rules of war, you and your enemy agree to not do certain thing to each other. Trump is likely going to be around in 2020, and will retake the House according to what research you choose to hang your hat on.

To settle scores after 2020, there are a group of democrat House and Senate members who are presumed to be crooked and can be destroyed by this technique designed by Pelosi, including Pelosi herself due to influence peddling in the bay area by the Pelosi family. In a tightly regulated state like California, it takes connections to get things done, and those connections have a price. And that price is the exclusion of competitors who can’t jump environmental hurdles without those connections.

In Trump, we may have found a leader who is just as duplicitous as the Democrats to “out democrat the democrats” after 2020.
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Its an Impeachment, not a prosecution. Thanks for playing.
 
nota bene said:
Talk of impeachment began before Trump's inauguration, and what you're saying here, I think, is that this will never end. Should Trump be re-elected, wouldn't continued attempts to impeach be also an attempt to thwart the will of "we the people"?
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At best, a thwarting of the will of the electoral college.
 
6 Ways the Salem Witch Trials were Fairer than the Democrats Impeachment Inquiry.

1. The Right to Be Informed of the Nature of an Accusation
2. The Right to Public Hearings
3. The Right to Confront and Cross-Examine Witnesses
4. A Legal Predicate
5. The Presumption of Innocence
6. Spectral Evidence
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1. He damned sure should know the Nature of the Accusation; but the dumb SOB is so busy spinning it he might actually believe his own Bull ****.
2. Impeachment isn't a Court Room, but it's hard to get more "public" than a Congressional Hearing Room on National TV, if only the Crooked Bastard would let people testify.
3. It's hard to cross-examine people if you won't let them testify.
4. def: A Predicate Act means: An earlier offense that can be used to enhance a sentence levied for a later conviction. Well, since no other president has sold out his country to a foreign nation for personal gain before, you may have a point, you'd have to go back to Benedict Arnold to predicate this kind of treason.
5. There again the dumb bastard has gotten on National TV and admitted his quilt, but until the Senate says otherwise I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Of course he first has to cooperate with the House to get to that point.
6. def: Spectral evidence is a form of evidence based upon dreams and visions. I haven't heard ANY such thing from the Democrats in the House, are you referring to the non-stop spin coming from tRump and his minions?
 
LowDown said:
I agree. In addition to that I think that if Trump is impeached you can count the next Democrat president as already impeached.
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Good gosh, that's an empty threat. The GOP would have impeached Hillary 12 times by now were she elected. They did impeach Bill Clinton - took endless hearings for years, but they got it done. They were already discussing starting the Hillary impeachment hearings before the election.
 
jnug said:
Its an Impeachment, not a prosecution. Thanks for playing.
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:roll: That's as stupid a statement as it gets. You actually believe Twix commercials that the two sides of that candy bar are completely different, don't you?
 
chuckiechan said:
I understand that many here are completely happy with the kangaroo court nature of “Trial by leaks and lies”. I get that. But like why there are rules of war, you and your enemy agree to not do certain thing to each other. Trump is likely going to be around in 2020, and will retake the House according to what research you choose to hang your hat on.

To settle scores after 2020, there are a group of democrat House and Senate members who are presumed to be crooked and can be destroyed by this technique designed by Pelosi, including Pelosi herself due to influence peddling in the bay area by the Pelosi family. In a tightly regulated state like California, it takes connections to get things done, and those connections have a price. And that price is the exclusion of competitors who can’t jump environmental hurdles without those connections.

In Trump, we may have found a leader who is just as duplicitous as the Democrats to “out democrat the democrats” after 2020.
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An impeachment hearing is not a criminal trial, nor is it a "witch hunt."
 
Dittohead not! said:
An impeachment hearing is not a criminal trial, nor is it a "witch hunt."
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Yep, it's more like a grand jury (prosecution only) affair but with plenty of selective "leaking" of what was discussed.
 
Trump surrogates and his political side chicks trying to throw anything out to protect their main man/father figure.

Didn't think we'd see anything about witch trials though. That's just weird.
 
Irwin Corey said:
1. He damned sure should know the Nature of the Accusation; but the dumb SOB is so busy spinning it he might actually believe his own Bull ****.
2. Impeachment isn't a Court Room, but it's hard to get more "public" than a Congressional Hearing Room on National TV, if only the Crooked Bastard would let people testify.
3. It's hard to cross-examine people if you won't let them testify.
4. def: A Predicate Act means: An earlier offense that can be used to enhance a sentence levied for a later conviction. Well, since no other president has sold out his country to a foreign nation for personal gain before, you may have a point, you'd have to go back to Benedict Arnold to predicate this kind of treason.
5. There again the dumb bastard has gotten on National TV and admitted his quilt, but until the Senate says otherwise I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Of course he first has to cooperate with the House to get to that point.
6. def: Spectral evidence is a form of evidence based upon dreams and visions. I haven't heard ANY such thing from the Democrats in the House, are you referring to the non-stop spin coming from tRump and his minions?
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You may not care about truth and process, but you can be sure the voters do.

If the democrats had a case they would not operate in secret and leak select portions, or in the case of Adam Schiff, any old lie will do.

I get that you think you have a winning hand, but you are not hearing from the other side. This is by design, because at the end of the day, this is about Biden, Inc. corruption. Not to mention all of this happening on the backdrop of Clinton, Inc. and their corruption.

In the eyes of the public, it a case government corruption of Obamas cronies.
 
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