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    What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.


    Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"

    They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:


    https://www.debatepolitics.com/break...post1070723976 (Trump: Why aren't we entitled to 'learn everything about' the whistleblower?)

    Impeachment is an Article one process, IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION. The courts have no jurisdiction over Congress's power to impeach, other than to reaffirm Congress's right to do so, as outlined in article one in the constitution. Moreover, Hamilton, in essay 65 of the federalist papers, further defines "crimes and misdemeanors", which, essentially, is real crimes and/or misconduct. In short, it means anything congress wants it to mean, and that is the process, that is the system our forefathers gave us. whether you like it or not.

    The "right to face your accuser" does not apply to a CIA whistleblower. WB is not an "accuser", and he or she must be protected, and they are, by law. The reason for this is that it is important the are protected, for the WB is a vital process of a society trying correct itself.

    When you accuse someone of a crime against you, that someone has a right to face you, as accuser, in court. IN COURT, not on TV. Trump did not commit a crime against the WB. All the WB did was describe a crime and/or serious wrongdoing against the state, therefore, It's Congress, not the WB, who is accusing trump, and that is only if they vote on impeachment, not one moment sooner. The "accusation" will only be formalized when articles of impeachment are drawn up. Those articles will not say "crimes against the whistleblower", it will be crimes and misdemeanors, wrongdoing, etc, against the United States. Trump will be allowed to face congress, the accuser, if there is a trial in senate, that is where Trump will get due process. Of course, the facts of the WB report can be challenged, but (as I understand it) the WB will not be a part of the process, unless he or she wants to come forward.

    The only ones appearing not to understand this are republicans. I hear them on Fox whining all night long about "due process". That's what the trial in the senate is for, due process. I've listened to hannity and limbaugh rant, and they are clueless morons.
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    Last edited by OscarLevant; 10-10-19 at 04:13 AM.
    Judge Howell said, pointing out that the OLC opinion forbidding the indictment of a sitting president "has never been adopted, sanctioned,
    or in any way approved by a court."

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Now if the left can actually learn what proof is. This might come out to be a different show altogether.
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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Now if the left can actually learn what proof is. This might come out to be a different show altogether.

    Trump committed a serious crime when he, on National TV, asked, in a serious tone "Russia, if you are listening...."


    Now, a right winger will declare he was joking.


    I listened to it more than once, and I found nothing jocular about it at all.


    Even if he were, which he was not, it's seriously irresponsible, to the point of being impeachable ( wrongful conduct, if it poses a threat to national security, and promoting the idea of a foreign nation, one that is not friendly to the US, to commit cyber-espionage, is impeachable ).


    That's proof for me, and he's done this type of thing more than once, say something totally reckless for a president, on TV.

    Maybe you should reassess what it means to be a leader, because you surely are clueless on that point.
    Judge Howell said, pointing out that the OLC opinion forbidding the indictment of a sitting president "has never been adopted, sanctioned,
    or in any way approved by a court."

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Trump committed a serious crime when he, on National TV, asked, in a serious tone "Russia, if you are listening...."
    Their only defense for what he did on national TV, asking Russia and now China to dig up dirt on his political opponents and interfere with our elections, is that it was a joke because they are both very much illegal.
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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Trump committed a serious crime when he, on National TV, asked, in a serious tone "Russia, if you are listening...."


    Now, a right winger will declare he was joking.


    I listened to it more than once, and I found nothing jocular about it at all.


    Even if he were, which he was not, it's seriously irresponsible, to the point of being impeachable ( wrongful conduct, if it poses a threat to national security, and promoting the idea of a foreign nation, one that is not friendly to the US, to commit cyber-espionage, is impeachable ).


    That's proof for me, and he's done this type of thing more than once, say something totally reckless for a president, on TV.

    Maybe you should reassess what it means to be a leader, because you surely are clueless on that point.
    Still towing that same false line are we?

    It's been a long time since I've seen someone bring up that tired line of attack on Trump.

    Though it's easy enough to see that you're not being genuine about the issue. Seeing as you couldn't quote the whole dialogue and instead pulled out just a small snippet...

    Then you threw a personal attack as though it was supposed to punctuate something.
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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Still towing that same false line are we?

    It's been a long time since I've seen someone bring up that tired line of attack on Trump.

    Though it's easy enough to see that you're not being genuine about the issue. Seeing as you couldn't quote the whole dialogue and instead pulled out just a small snippet...

    Then you threw a personal attack as though it was supposed to punctuate something.


    Yes, the fact that Trump commits crimes or misdemeanors/misconduct, conduct unbecoming, almost daily for years does get tiring, and dems concern of it, repeating it all the while, does get tiring.

    It's downright exhausting. In fact, a majority are sick of Trump, really, sick of him and his bull**** chaos, ad infinitum.

    But, the message isn't tired, you are, no doubt getting the ****ing truth slammed in your face every day gets old.


    Maybe some day you'll get it, but I doubt it.
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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Trump committed a serious crime when he, on National TV, asked, in a serious tone "Russia, if you are listening...."


    Now, a right winger will declare he was joking.



    I listened to it more than once, and I found nothing jocular about it at all.


    Even if he were, which he was not, it's seriously irresponsible, to the point of being impeachable ( wrongful conduct, if it poses a threat to national security, and promoting the idea of a foreign nation, one that is not friendly to the US, to commit cyber-espionage, is impeachable ).


    That's proof for me, and he's done this type of thing more than once, say something totally reckless for a president, on TV.

    Maybe you should reassess what it means to be a leader, because you surely are clueless on that point.
    Anyone with a brain in their head knows Trump was joking. Only a rabid foam at the mouth TDSer believes Trump was serious. Everybody already knew Russia,China and pretty much every other country had dirt on Clinton. Any intelligence agency worth their salt would try to get dirt on another country's politicians. Especially if those politicians make it easy by using unsecured personal server for their email.
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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anyone with a brain in their head knows Trump was joking. Only a rabid foam at the mouth TDSer believes Trump was serious. Everybody already knew Russia,China and pretty much every other country had dirt on Clinton. Any intelligence agency worth their salt would try to get dirt on another country's politicians. Especially if those politicians make it easy by using unsecured personal server for their email.
    Anyone with a brain in their head knows Trump was joking.
    So.... so presidential right?
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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Still towing that same false line are we?

    It's been a long time since I've seen someone bring up that tired line of attack on Trump.

    Though it's easy enough to see that you're not being genuine about the issue. Seeing as you couldn't quote the whole dialogue and instead pulled out just a small snippet...

    Then you threw a personal attack as though it was supposed to punctuate something.
    The expression is 'toeing the line'-stepping up to the mark. Nothing to do with pulling.
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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anyone with a brain in their head knows Trump was joking. Only a rabid foam at the mouth TDSer believes Trump was serious. Everybody already knew Russia,China and pretty much every other country had dirt on Clinton. Any intelligence agency worth their salt would try to get dirt on another country's politicians. Especially if those politicians make it easy by using unsecured personal server for their email.
    Yes, of course he was 'joking', because all his arse-lickers came out and told you he was? How long did Clinton face investigation for and what was found? Nothing, that's what-unless I missed the trial. "Anyone knows" means you, right?
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