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What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

ocean515 said:
LOL

Try to contain your desperation. You may not be aware how lame it makes you look when you don't.
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hey, if you wanna keep on preaching that everyone lies (thus making everyone equal) then go for it. it actually does work on the most dumb Americans.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

OscarLevant said:
I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.


Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"

They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:




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The right to face your accuser is in The Constitution, too. No where does It say that the impeachment process is exempt from the rest of The Constitution.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

CaughtInThe said:
hey, if you wanna keep on preaching that everyone lies (thus making everyone equal) then go for it. it actually does work on the most dumb Americans.
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Lack of awareness confirmed.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

ocean515 said:
LOL

Everybody not approved by the committee lies all the time.

Everybody approved by the committee tells the truth all the time.

And this principle should be viewed as rational.....

:lamo
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the leftist "committee"... soon to be known as the politburo, comrade.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

Hypothetical said:
you have got to be kidding... crime? sheesh.
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Even the adults at Fox News had to admit that yes, asking foreign governments to help you win re-election by digging up dirt on your political rival, is indeed illegal. I know it shouldn't be shocking when someone on Fox correctly states a fact but it was, and they did.

code1211 said:
Dig up dirt on an opponent?

This creates an interesting criminal defense.
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Is Biden under some sort of criminal investigation in this country? :shrug:

code1211 said:
In any crime committed previously, any person can announce for public office and thus be granted immunity. Your assertion is moronic on every level.
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Your assertion is moronic. Trump just ran while his campaign was being investigated for ties to Russian election interference. Did running for office give him immunity? The difference being Trump was investigated by the F.B.I. and D.O.J. not Obama's personal clown lawyer. Of course those bastions of law and order, yourself and the rest of the Republicans, see no difference between the professionals at the F.B.I. and that clown Giuliani waving his phone around on T.V. telling everyone that's where the evidence is. Totally equally legitimate. :screwy

code1211 said:
Out of curiosity, what was the level of legality regarding the entire witch hunt conducted by the Democrat Socialists against Trump since before the 2016 election?
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Pretty high considering it involved hundreds of career investigators and lawyers from the F.B.I. and D.O.J. who argued before and were granted search warrants and subpoenas by federal judges and a grand jury. Question, how many subpoenas have been issued to Joe Biden?
 
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ocean515 said:
Lack of awareness confirmed.
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I'm kind of congratulating you on trying to make every person on the planet equally corrupt. It's a really good strategy.

Unless a person is a Christian and trying to get into heaven.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

OscarLevant said:
I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.


Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"

They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:




Note: the above quote was edited by me from the original.
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In America, when a person is accused of committing a serious crime with serious consequences, what justification is there for not allowing the accused to face his accuser?
 
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marke said:
In America, when a person is accused of committing a serious crime with serious consequences, what justification is there for not allowing the accused to face his accuser?
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Democrats will say, as with Kavanaugh, this isn't a court of law. The rules don't apply.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

OscarLevant said:
I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.


Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"

They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:




Note: the above quote was edited by me from the original.
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The courts, namely the SCOTUS does have jurisdiction over the process. You're ignoring the precedents that have been set by previous impeachment inquiries. A vote in the House to begin an investigation. No, it's not required but doesn't precedent and if not the "rule of law" the intent of law matter?
 
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Integrityrespec said:
The courts, namely the SCOTUS does have jurisdiction over the process. You're ignoring the precedents that have been set by previous impeachment inquiries. A vote in the House to begin an investigation. No, it's not required but doesn't precedent and if not the "rule of law" the intent of law matter?
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The courts will not stand in the way of an impeachment process the Chief Justice presides over the senate in the trial but as a referee only
 
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Luther said:
So.... so presidential right?
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Its not presidential to joke?
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

snakestretcher said:
Yes, of course he was 'joking', because all his arse-lickers came out and told you he was? How long did Clinton face investigation for and what was found? Nothing, that's what-unless I missed the trial. "Anyone knows" means you, right?
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I watched the debates.Anyone is not a rabid foam at the mouth TDSer knows Trump was joking. Only a ****ing tard honestly thinks Trump was serious.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

OscarLevant said:
I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.


Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"

They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:




Note: the above quote was edited by me from the original.
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Cool but the Senate with its own rules can refuse to allow anybody but republicans put forth evidence too. See how fun no judicial review can be when you start off pissing in a sacrosanct pool.
 
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jamesrage said:
Its not presidential to joke?
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It is when Trump does it.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

OscarLevant said:
Trump committed a serious crime when he, on National TV, asked, in a serious tone "Russia, if you are listening...."


Now, a right winger will declare he was joking.


I listened to it more than once, and I found nothing jocular about it at all.


Even if he were, which he was not, it's seriously irresponsible, to the point of being impeachable ( wrongful conduct, if it poses a threat to national security, and promoting the idea of a foreign nation, one that is not friendly to the US, to commit cyber-espionage, is impeachable ).


That's proof for me, and he's done this type of thing more than once, say something totally reckless for a president, on TV.

Maybe you should reassess what it means to be a leader, because you surely are clueless on that point.
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proof for you doesn't make it proof....
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

OscarLevant said:
Yes, the fact that Trump commits crimes or misdemeanors/misconduct, conduct unbecoming, almost daily for years does get tiring, and dems concern of it, repeating it all the while, does get tiring.

It's downright exhausting. In fact, a majority are sick of Trump, really, sick of him and his bull**** chaos, ad infinitum.

But, the message isn't tired, you are, no doubt getting the ****ing truth slammed in your face every day gets old.


Maybe some day you'll get it, but I doubt it.
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No, you would need to start being correct about your assumptions first. Just saying that he's doing this and that, does not in fact prove that he's doing this and that.

The moderates are tired of the left crying wolf all of the damn time.
 
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snakestretcher said:
The expression is 'toeing the line'-stepping up to the mark. Nothing to do with pulling.
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Actually if we're being honest, it's "toe the line" but adjusting the verbiage is common to everyone today.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

OscarLevant said:
I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.
Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"
They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:
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yes those are all constitutional rights entitled and given to all people. something that left has no clue about.
If you accuse me of something then yes i have a right to face you in that accusation. Yes i have a right to due process and am allowed to defend myself
against your accusations. something the left hates because it gets in the way of their rapid dog attacks and appeal to emotion arguments.
we also have this long standing right of innocent until proven guilty not guilty until you prove yourself innocent. something that the leftist of this
country don't seem to understand either. so before you start harping at other people you might want to understand these simple concept that
are key to the freedoms in our country.


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I am sure it was but dishonest is dishonest.
 
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ocean515 said:
Damn. The indoctrinated minions keep proving how detached from reality they are, and how little they have been allowed to know about the Constitution.

Due Process is a fundamental right, so significant it's elements are enumerated in both the 5th and 14th Amendment.

The future the radicals are being trained to accept should be frightening to every rational thinking US Citizen.
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it is scary that these people think this. i mean seriously scary.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

Oborosen said:
Now if the left can actually learn what proof is. This might come out to be a different show altogether.
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Oh, you mean like the "proof" as in the rights' proof of Hillary's crimes, whereupon she and her husband have been investigated ad infinitum for some 25 years and the so-called "proof" has yet to result in one indictment?

Eight investigations of Benghazi, four years, millions of taxpayer dollars wasted, they found NOTHING they could pin on her?

The right's idea of "proof" is, for example, the book, "Clinton Cash". Note that this book kickstarted and FBI investigation, but was dropped very readily. The reason? "Lack of evidence".

Heck, in 2015 the author of the book was interviewed by NBC and he admitted there was only circumstantial evidence for all of the claims in the book.

First Read: ''Clinton Cash'' Author Speaks Out

The only proof of anything I have seen from the right is from dubious sources, where the facts do not fact check, where the timeline of events from which they extrapolate fanciful premises are rendered moot due to the fact there is always an alternate explanation, that given certain facts, are far more logical and thus likely and is therefore exonerating or mitigating the gravity of the accusation down to some trivial point, hardly worth mentioning.

"Uranium One" is the quintessential right wing trope. For months, Sean Hannity harangued the airwaves with this nonsense. He was having his audience believe That Hillary single handedly sold 1/5th America's uranium production to Russia. This is so mindbogglingly profoundly stupid one hardly can figure out where to begin. The depth of Hannity's incompetence is stunning.
This story has been debunked, over and over and over again, which any amateur with a computer could invalidate with cursory searches, yet, hardly a month passes where some right wingnut doesn't trot it out as if it is still reality.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

jamesrage said:
Anyone with a brain in their head knows Trump was joking. Only a rabid foam at the mouth TDSer believes Trump was serious. Everybody already knew Russia,China and pretty much every other country had dirt on Clinton. Any intelligence agency worth their salt would try to get dirt on another country's politicians. Especially if those politicians make it easy by using unsecured personal server for their email.
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Au contraire. I watched the clips, there is no way in hell he is joking. TDS is not an merit worthy argument.


Weasel words ( "everybody knows" :"anyone with a brain" etc. ) is not a merit worthy argument.

Getting dirt on your political opponent is NOT intelligence. That is "oppo research". Data, secrets, compromising facts, "dirt", etc on your opposing country is intelligence, and you use it to benefit your country, NOT YOURSELF.

Brush up on the Carl Sagan Baloney Detection Kit, because, over all, your comment/argument is incompetent.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

VySky said:
Then what is Congress waiting on? Nancy says she has articles of Impeachment but it appears she lacks the political courage to risk her financial future

-VySky
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I'll say this about Pelosi, one thing she will not do, is allow herself to be baited by the likes of you and people like you.

She'll act when she is damn good and ready, and not a moment sooner.
 
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code1211 said:
What was the "serious crime against the state"?
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It will be in the articles of impeachment, it's not for me to say. You know that ,so why are you asking?


I mean, I could guess, but I'm not the final word on the document, so I'll leave to Pelosi and Schiff.
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

code1211 said:
"The Left" knows what proof is.

They create it out of thin air all the time.
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You mean like the "proof" you guys pulled out of thin air on "Uranium One"?

Hah!
 
Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

code1211 said:
You didn't hear that as a joke?

Knowing that about you is funny.

You probably don't understand what's funny about you not understanding humor, either.
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Probably why most comedians are on the left.
 
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