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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    So.... so presidential right?
    Its not presidential to joke?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    Yes, of course he was 'joking', because all his arse-lickers came out and told you he was? How long did Clinton face investigation for and what was found? Nothing, that's what-unless I missed the trial. "Anyone knows" means you, right?


    I watched the debates.Anyone is not a rabid foam at the mouth TDSer knows Trump was joking. Only a ****ing tard honestly thinks Trump was serious.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.


    Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"

    They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:




    Note: the above quote was edited by me from the original.
    Cool but the Senate with its own rules can refuse to allow anybody but republicans put forth evidence too. See how fun no judicial review can be when you start off pissing in a sacrosanct pool.

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its not presidential to joke?
    It is when Trump does it.
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    Only those indicted and found guilty by the Grand Jury.

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Trump committed a serious crime when he, on National TV, asked, in a serious tone "Russia, if you are listening...."


    Now, a right winger will declare he was joking.


    I listened to it more than once, and I found nothing jocular about it at all.


    Even if he were, which he was not, it's seriously irresponsible, to the point of being impeachable ( wrongful conduct, if it poses a threat to national security, and promoting the idea of a foreign nation, one that is not friendly to the US, to commit cyber-espionage, is impeachable ).


    That's proof for me, and he's done this type of thing more than once, say something totally reckless for a president, on TV.

    Maybe you should reassess what it means to be a leader, because you surely are clueless on that point.
    proof for you doesn't make it proof....
    According to NBC, “Justice Department officials have said that Durham has found something significant, and that critics should be careful.”

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Yes, the fact that Trump commits crimes or misdemeanors/misconduct, conduct unbecoming, almost daily for years does get tiring, and dems concern of it, repeating it all the while, does get tiring.

    It's downright exhausting. In fact, a majority are sick of Trump, really, sick of him and his bull**** chaos, ad infinitum.

    But, the message isn't tired, you are, no doubt getting the ****ing truth slammed in your face every day gets old.


    Maybe some day you'll get it, but I doubt it.
    No, you would need to start being correct about your assumptions first. Just saying that he's doing this and that, does not in fact prove that he's doing this and that.

    The moderates are tired of the left crying wolf all of the damn time.
    Why do they run?
    Because they have no choice son, such is the way of cowards.
    But even a cornered rat, with no choice, will fight.
    Yes my son, and that should tell you more than you need to know about the coward.

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    The expression is 'toeing the line'-stepping up to the mark. Nothing to do with pulling.
    Actually if we're being honest, it's "toe the line" but adjusting the verbiage is common to everyone today.
    Why do they run?
    Because they have no choice son, such is the way of cowards.
    But even a cornered rat, with no choice, will fight.
    Yes my son, and that should tell you more than you need to know about the coward.

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    I've been watching fox lately, to see what the idiots are whining about.
    Now, they are whining about "due process" and the "right to face your accuser"
    They have a fundamental misunderstanding about impeachment, due process, and the right to face your accuser, and I address this in another post, so I will put it here, to be read in a broader context:
    yes those are all constitutional rights entitled and given to all people. something that left has no clue about.
    If you accuse me of something then yes i have a right to face you in that accusation. Yes i have a right to due process and am allowed to defend myself
    against your accusations. something the left hates because it gets in the way of their rapid dog attacks and appeal to emotion arguments.
    we also have this long standing right of innocent until proven guilty not guilty until you prove yourself innocent. something that the leftist of this
    country don't seem to understand either. so before you start harping at other people you might want to understand these simple concept that
    are key to the freedoms in our country.


    Note: the above quote was edited by me from the original.
    I am sure it was but dishonest is dishonest.

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Damn. The indoctrinated minions keep proving how detached from reality they are, and how little they have been allowed to know about the Constitution.

    Due Process is a fundamental right, so significant it's elements are enumerated in both the 5th and 14th Amendment.

    The future the radicals are being trained to accept should be frightening to every rational thinking US Citizen.
    it is scary that these people think this. i mean seriously scary.

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    Re: What the right fails to grasp about "due process" and the right to "face your accuser"

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Now if the left can actually learn what proof is. This might come out to be a different show altogether.

    Oh, you mean like the "proof" as in the rights' proof of Hillary's crimes, whereupon she and her husband have been investigated ad infinitum for some 25 years and the so-called "proof" has yet to result in one indictment?

    Eight investigations of Benghazi, four years, millions of taxpayer dollars wasted, they found NOTHING they could pin on her?

    The right's idea of "proof" is, for example, the book, "Clinton Cash". Note that this book kickstarted and FBI investigation, but was dropped very readily. The reason? "Lack of evidence".

    Heck, in 2015 the author of the book was interviewed by NBC and he admitted there was only circumstantial evidence for all of the claims in the book.

    First Read: ''Clinton Cash'' Author Speaks Out

    The only proof of anything I have seen from the right is from dubious sources, where the facts do not fact check, where the timeline of events from which they extrapolate fanciful premises are rendered moot due to the fact there is always an alternate explanation, that given certain facts, are far more logical and thus likely and is therefore exonerating or mitigating the gravity of the accusation down to some trivial point, hardly worth mentioning.

    "Uranium One" is the quintessential right wing trope. For months, Sean Hannity harangued the airwaves with this nonsense. He was having his audience believe That Hillary single handedly sold 1/5th America's uranium production to Russia. This is so mindbogglingly profoundly stupid one hardly can figure out where to begin. The depth of Hannity's incompetence is stunning.
    This story has been debunked, over and over and over again, which any amateur with a computer could invalidate with cursory searches, yet, hardly a month passes where some right wingnut doesn't trot it out as if it is still reality.
    "And the whole purpose of impeachment is to correct an election after the elected person has demonstrated that he is unfit for office." --Judge Andrew Napolitano

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