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If Trump violates Court orders?

Chomsky said:
So you're going to support Trump in defying the courts & rule of law? Do I understand you correctly?
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The courts do not constitute "rule of law".

It really just seems to me that the left views courts as paid admirers who are there to overturn any election that doesn't go their way.

I fundamentally believe most court rulings are not in line with the constitution so why would I oppose Trump ignoring them?
 
Oborosen said:
No I'm talking about normal voters. Those people who just read their paper and vote in line with the policies that they agree with.

They don't go to rallies, to don't follow all the news that comes out, they're just normal people.
They don't wear MAGA hats and talk about how good the country is doing as a point of vindication. Nor do they march in the streets and beat innocent people for just having a difference of opinion.

They're literally tired of this drama being thrown up on TV ever single day.
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Oh, I see. Your normal people march in the streets chanting jews will not replace us. If your normal people are tired now, wait until the actual impeachment starts.
 
Oborosen said:
On that I'd have to agree.

Though it's amazing to see how well he's done with all of this going against him.
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I think one of the great services he has done for this has come from that. He is such a formable opponent that it has forced progressives to come out in full force to defeat him. People are seeing first hand how deeply they are seated in this country. They have called all hands on deck thus exposing how many radicals there are.

Their ideology dominates the media and hollywood but the gop and country music both appear to have strongs sects of it within thier groups as well.

They have a strong foothold on our institutions as well. Judges seem natural to me considering they start as lawyers, i dont find it surprising they have strong progressive beliefs but i did find it surprising to learn how previlant it is within the DOJ. We are seeing it in academia as well.

Im not a biblical person but i liken to conservatism vs progressism to david vs goliath.

Trump by virtue of being Trump and not crumbling under the pressure has exposed this. Now the question is if there are enough conservatives left and they ready to stop being complacent and not only support him but start rejecting the country's progression toward the left.

Think about this for a moment people like Biden, Clinton, and Pelosi are viewed as moderates.

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Oborosen said:
Yes, we get it. You can't help but act like a sodden child.
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Awww, are you upset? Or here’s a better one, you mad? Or how about, poor snowflake. Yeah, we know the game, we just choose not to play it, but when you force us, we are far better at it than you will ever be.


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Oborosen said:
No I'm talking about normal voters. Those people who just read their paper and vote in line with the policies that they agree with.

They don't go to rallies, to don't follow all the news that comes out, they're just normal people.
They don't wear MAGA hats and talk about how good the country is doing as a point of vindication. Nor do they march in the streets and beat innocent people for just having a difference of opinion.

They're literally tired of this drama being thrown up on TV ever single day.
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Then they must be democrats.


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trouble13 said:
I think one of the great services he has done for this has come from that. He is such a formable opponent that it has forced progressives to come out in full force to defeat him. People are seeing first hand how deeply they are seated in this country. They have called all hands on deck thus exposing how many radicals there are.

Their ideology dominates the media and hollywood but the gop and country music both appear to have strongs sects of it within thier groups as well.

They have a strong foothold on our institutions as well. Judges seem natural to me considering they start as lawyers, i dont find it surprising they have strong progressive beliefs but i did find it surprising to learn how previlant it is within the DOJ. We are seeing it in academia as well.

Im not a biblical person but i liken to conservatism vs progressism to david vs goliath.

Trump by virtue of being Trump and not crumbling under the pressure has exposed this. Now the question is if there are enough conservatives left and they ready to stop being complacent and not only support him but start rejecting the country's progression toward the left.

Think about this for a moment people like Biden, Clinton, and Pelosi are viewed as moderates.

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So what you are saying is the majority of Americans don’t think like you and never will. Good luck with that. In the meantime we have a corrupt president (who you support) that needs to go.
Thank you, you have done more damage to right wing religion and the GOP than any democrat could have ever hoped to do.


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Bandit said:
So what you are saying is the majority of Americans don’t think like you and never will. Good luck with that. In the meantime we have a corrupt president (who you support) that needs to go.
Thank you, you have done more damage to right wing religion and the GOP than any democrat could have ever hoped to do.


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I absolutely believe coservatism is a miniority opinion in America and my particular brand of politics is an even smaller minority. Do you think your insulting me by pointing that out?

A majority of Americans dont know the 3 branches of government, what the bill of rights are, or who the vice president is. Being in the majority is nothing to brag about.

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trouble13 said:
Your attempt to draw any type of parallel between how Republicans treated Obama to how Progressives are treating Trump is laughable.

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Why is it laughable, specifically?
 
trouble13 said:
I absolutely believe coservatism is a miniority opinion in America and my particular brand of politics is an even smaller minority. Do you think your insulting me by pointing that out?

A majority of Americans dont know the 3 branches of government, what the bill of rights are, or who the vice president is. Being in the majority is nothing to brag about.

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Oh no, your support of an obviously corrupt president and this horror show of a presidency is what I’m talking about. You know what really bugs me though? Using religious beliefs to defend a morally corrupt man to serve your wants is just disgusting.




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trouble13 said:
Your attempt to draw any type of parallel between how Republicans treated Obama to how Progressives are treating Trump is laughable.

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Absolutely right, Obama was not a corrupt criminal, and how could he be, he was black, he knew they had targets on him from day one. Trump on the other hand is so corrupt and evil he doesn’t even know it.


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Bandit said:
Oh no, your support of an obviously corrupt president and this horror show of a presidency is what I’m talking about. You know what really bugs me though? Using religious beliefs to defend a morally corrupt man to serve your wants is just disgusting.




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What religious beliefs did i ise to defend Trump? I dont believe i ever did that in any thread

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Bandit said:
Absolutely right, Obama was not a corrupt criminal, and how could he be, he was black, he knew they had targets on him from day one. Trump on the other hand is so corrupt and evil he doesn’t even know it.


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His blackness prevents him from being corrupt, seriously? I would say im surprised that anyone could think that, but after some of the conversations I've had on here, I'm really not.

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trouble13 said:
His blackness prevents him from being corrupt, seriously? I would say im surprised that anyone could think that, but after some of the conversations I've had on here, I'm really not.

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Well of course you would be surprised. I’m sure to you his blackness meant he was automatically corrupt. Oh, the hate that came out because of skin color. Whew, pretty amazing. That’s why when you whine about trump getting no respect, no one cares. It must have bugged you to no end that a black man was president, for no other reason than he was black.


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trouble13 said:
What religious beliefs did i ise to defend Trump? I dont believe i ever did that in any thread

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David and Goliath? But you’re not a biblical person right?


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bongsaway said:
Oh, I see. Your normal people march in the streets chanting jews will not replace us. If your normal people are tired now, wait until the actual impeachment starts.
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And when your normal people are done molesting children, we can start talking about them, or does this idiotic game you're trying to play not really need that much attention?

When I say normal voters, I mean normal voters.
 
Bandit said:
Then they must be democrats.


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From what I've seen, they must be disenfranchised democrats. Same basis for those that walked away some time ago.
 
Oborosen said:
I don't really blame him at this point. We know that the mission has been to remove him from office, even before he won the presidency. Because it's not like they've let up on their attacks against him, or the other members of his administration.

Most of us are just tired of this now.
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That is just ridiculous. Trump is the one you should be tired of. He has lied to you. He was not a good business man he was good at fraud. He was not a good candidate he was good a cheating and lying to get votes. He is not a good negotiator he is good at extortion. He is not a good Christian and he is not even a good American. He has betrayed his country and his oath both abroad and at home. I am tired of those defending this awful man. That is what I am tired of.
 
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iguanaman said:
That is just ridiculous. Trump is the one you should be tired of. He has lied to you. He was not a good business man he was good at fraud. He was not a good candidate he was good a cheating and lying to get votes. He is not a good negotiator he is good at extortion. He is not a good Christian and he is not even a good American. He has betrayed his country and his oath both abroad and at home. I am tired of those defending this man. That is what I am tired of.
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Your far fetched and hyperbolic opinions aside, this is the exact same kind of crap that plenty of normal voters have gotten tired of already.

You're dangerously close to the same line of calling anyone who doesn't merely agree with you, a racist Nazi just like the standard fair was before.
 
Bandit said:
David and Goliath? But you’re not a biblical person right?


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Im not a biblical person. I did use a biblical allegory, that is true. Why is that an issue for you? Maybe i should do what you do and automatically assume you hate relgion and are bigoted toward all religious people.

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Bandit said:
Well of course you would be surprised. I’m sure to you his blackness meant he was automatically corrupt. Oh, the hate that came out because of skin color. Whew, pretty amazing. That’s why when you whine about trump getting no respect, no one cares. It must have bugged you to no end that a black man was president, for no other reason than he was black.


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Not that its any of your buisiness but i voted for Obama in 08 because i thought he was better than McCain. I was not a fan of his politics but i thought he would be a better potus than he was.

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trouble13 said:
Im not a biblical person. I did use a biblical allegory, that is true. Why is that an issue for you? Maybe i should do what you do and automatically assume you hate relgion and are bigoted toward all religious people.

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Not an issue, just proving a point.

Go ahead, makes no difference to me, it’s part of the constitution.

My comment stands.


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trouble13 said:
Not that its any of your buisiness but i voted for Obama in 08 because i thought he was better than McCain. I was not a fan of his politics but i thought he would be a better potus than he was.

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You are right, it’s not and I don’t care.


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EMNofSeattle said:
The courts do not constitute "rule of law".

It really just seems to me that the left views courts as paid admirers who are there to overturn any election that doesn't go their way.

I fundamentally believe most court rulings are not in line with the constitution so why would I oppose Trump ignoring them?
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The only election I'm aware of is the USSC inserting themselves into was the 2000 election when they ordered Florida to stop their recount, effectively gifting the election to Bush over Gore. So, tell me about these "paid admirers" who overturn elections for the left.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
The only election I'm aware of is the USSC inserting themselves into was the 2000 election when they ordered Florida to stop their recount, effectively gifting the election to Bush over Gore. So, tell me about these "paid admirers" who overturn elections for the left.
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The vote was already certified. SCOTUS merely ruled you all couldn’t have different vote counting methods in different districts. A 7-2 ruling by the way.

There was no election over turned. You merely misrepresent the facts of the case.
 
Aberration said:
The vote was already certified. SCOTUS merely ruled you all couldn’t have different vote counting methods in different districts. A 7-2 ruling by the way.

There was no election over turned. You merely misrepresent the facts of the case.
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You're the one who claimed courts overturn elections. Give an example or two.
 
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