Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

phattonez said:

No they don't. Whoever has more money gets priority.

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No they don’t. The person selling chooses. There is no priority.

phattonez said:

I've answered your grotesque objection that you believe working people's desire for basic necessities at decent prices is envy. What else would you like me to answer before you explain how you can take a position so obviously contrary to the teachings of Christ and yet call yourself Christian.

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Hi Phatz

i have never claimed that Christ (or, even Chrysotom) was heretical. I pointed out that Poverty Gospel is, just as Prosperity Gospel is.

And, as I said, I will be happy to address the points you made, as soon as you address the points I made which you quoted, but ignored. If you need me to re-post it (again), let me know .

But, as I said, in post 375

cpwill said:

And now I will wait (fruitlessly, likely) for you to actually manage to address the post you quoted and then ignored. I'd bet a nickel you won't, but will instead attempt to spin this into an argument from this post.

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The post you quoted and then ignored in post 357 being post 357.

phattonez said:

If car ownership becomes pointless then only the dumbest and least responsible individuals will still be in the business, but they will likely be given to corruption if no profit can be gotten by legal means.

See how easy that is?

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You're right. It is silly to think the US government would ever force landlords to give up profit-making so they can make it easier for the poor. Better to let democrat lawyers and politicians to give up their ill-gotten gains to help the poor.

cpwill said:

Hi Phatz

i have never claimed that Christ (or, even Chrysotom) was heretical. I pointed out that Poverty Gospel is, just as Prosperity Gospel is.

And, as I said, I will be happy to address the points you made, as soon as you address the points I made which you quoted, but ignored. If you need me to re-post it (again), let me know .

But, as I said, in post 375



The post you quoted and then ignored in post 357 being post 357.

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I'm not going to respond to you puffing yourself up. You failed to make a moral case. I brought forth a moral argument. The only criticism you made was that this was envy. I responded to that and countered it.

No argument is going to absolve you of responsibility to your neighbor. Christ wasn't sympathetic to the argument that Jews could be absolved of their responsibility to their parents by donating to the temple.

marke said:

You're right. It is silly to think the US government would ever force landlords to give up profit-making so they can make it easier for the poor. Better to let democrat lawyers and politicians to give up their ill-gotten gains to help the poor.

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Do most people buy or rent their automobiles?

phattonez said:

I'm not going to respond

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Yeah. I figured - which is why I predicted you wouldn't. Time and again, you refuse to accept responsibility for your own decisions.

phattonez said:

Do most people buy or rent their automobiles?

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People will do whatever the market allows them to do that they find best for them. It is not the government's job to tell car dealers to sell their cars for less to poor people having a hard time borrowing money for a car. And it is not the government's job to tell landlords they must rent apartments for less in order to boost the effective incomes of their renters.

phattonez said:

I'm not going to respond to you puffing yourself up. You failed to make a moral case. I brought forth a moral argument. The only criticism you made was that this was envy. I responded to that and countered it.

No argument is going to absolve you of responsibility to your neighbor. Christ wasn't sympathetic to the argument that Jews could be absolved of their responsibility to their parents by donating to the temple.

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You’ve yet to demonstrate such a responsibility exists.

phattonez said:

That's a common but baseless claim. Asian workers aren't being raised out of poverty from capitalism. They're badly exploited and earning $1 per hour in disgusting cities working in horrifying conditions.

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Where in the US is that happening? Asians are some of richest people in the US right now.
So please show where in the US that is happening. no one works for $1 an hour in the US.

SoCal said:

I agree, but there's no reason to promote the system that the vast majority on both sides prefer and would never change.

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Sure there is.

Claiming the Democrats entire policy is giving themselves free stuff, is as true as claiming Numnut's entire policy is giving himself free stuff (well maybe the last point is true). The rich are taxed at lower rate than everyone else, they've been given enough free stuff already, it's time to spread it around to all Americans...

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have you not been watching or at least looking at these morons running on the democratic side for president?
that is basically their entire platform.

Actually the top 1% pay almost 40% of all income taxes.
the top 10% pay at least 56% of all income taxes
and the top 50% pay 98% of all income tax in this counntry.

so what are they getting for free again?

you seem to be misinformed a great deal.

phattonez said:

That's a common but baseless claim. Asian workers aren't being raised out of poverty from capitalism. They're badly exploited and earning $1 per hour in disgusting cities working in horrifying conditions.

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Wow! Talk about a huge sweeping generalization. And inaccurate.

phattonez said:

Paying back the bank loan isn't all cost. Any reduction of principle is profit. And when the mortgage is paid off, your profit is $1528.99 per month plus the $19.35. Of course with time rents and property values go up, so you're making even more than that per month.

About $1500 per month for a $48k initial investment is really good money. That's 25% yield on cost, without considering rent or price increases.

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Umm no.. paying the bank loan is cost. reduction in principle is NOT profit. and on top of that you have maintenance costs to maintain the property.. you have the cost of advertising, you have property management fees or your time.. you have property taxes. You have insurance covering the house and grounds.

And any money that you make? You have to pay taxes on.

phattonez said:

What would raising the capital gains tax rate do to stock prices?

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Probably nothing.

"Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?"
The one and ONLY correct answer to the OP question is... They don't!

ludin said:

Sure there is.




have you not been watching or at least looking at these morons running on the democratic side for president?
that is basically their entire platform.

Actually the top 1% pay almost 40% of all income taxes.
the top 10% pay at least 56% of all income taxes
and the top 50% pay 98% of all income tax in this counntry.

so what are they getting for free again?

you seem to be misinformed a great deal.

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Calling any Democrat a moron while America's official clown is in the WH", is an obvious projection. Which is understandable as it comes from the top;

"...In Paris on Thursday, Donald Trump said, “A lot of people don’t know” that “France is America’s first and oldest ally.” That may be true. But commentators noted that when Trump uses the “a lot of people don’t know” formulation, it’s usually a sign that he didn’t know himself..."

You're absolutely right about the rich paying the lions share of taxes. It's because they own the lions share of our nations wealth. I was referring to the percentages of their income.

If someone earns $100,000 a year, at a 20% tax rate, America receives $20,000.
If someone earns $40,000 a year, at a 25% tax rate, America receives $10,000.

So the rich guy pays twice, that's double the amount, as in more than the average guy. Yet the average tax payer pays more of his income than the rich guy. So America gives the rich their 'free stuff in the form of cash, while America gives the poor their 'free stuff' in the form of food stamps. Wouldn't you agree that anyone would prefer their 'free stuff', in the form of cash?

This due to the percentage they pay. See how that works now? Your confusion is understandable, many conservatives don't quite get this, or they choose to ignore it. I'm sure you agree that there's no reason why a secretary of a rich guy should be paying more of his or her income than their boss.

I won't claim you're misinformed, it's just something many folks forget to think about...

phattonez said:

Yeah I don't like the top down control of it and lack of real property rights. I'd like to see property stay in a family for generations. What I don't want to see is a real estate empire lasting generations.

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I agree. Properties that serve a utilitarian purpose should stay with families indefinitely, but real estate empires must be highly disincentivized.

Housing is for communities to live in, economies to develop, and nations to build. They are not supposed to be investment mills for the wealthiest elites to the peril of the rest of society. I like your idea of heavily taxing secondary real estate... i.e. not essential real estate. People don't need 10 houses, and if they want them then they should have a higher fiduciary responsibility to the society that they are hording property from.

It’s not a coincidence that is post #666.

SoCal said:

Calling any Democrat a moron while America's official clown is in the WH", is an obvious projection. Which is understandable as it comes from the top;

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Not really. if you look at most of trumps policies they are actually doing quite well. The fact that the house refuses to sign bills and send them is not his fault.
He has other things that he wants to get done but the moronic leftist are more concerned with snipe hunts.

You're absolutely right about the rich paying the lions share of taxes. It's because they own the lions share of our nations wealth. I was referring to the percentages of their income.

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So now that your narrative was busted you move the goal posts. The top 1% earned about 16% of the income but paid 37% of the taxes. So again i have to say that you are misinformed.

If someone earns $100,000 a year, at a 20% tax rate, America receives $20,000.
If someone earns $40,000 a year, at a 25% tax rate, America receives $10,000.

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This is very myopic and not correct at all. in fact it is so not correct that there is no way to actually argue it because it is 100% wrong.

So the rich guy pays twice, that's double the amount, as in more than the average guy. Yet the average tax payer pays more of his income than the rich guy. So America gives the rich their 'free stuff in the form of cash, while America gives the poor their 'free stuff' in the form of food stamps. Wouldn't you agree that anyone would prefer their 'free stuff', in the form of cash?

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Since you example was so grossly out of touch and wrong your response to it is equally wrong. someone making 40k doesn't pay 25%. they pay 10% after their deductions.

This due to the percentage they pay. See how that works now? Your confusion is understandable, many conservatives don't quite get this, or they choose to ignore it. I'm sure you agree that there's no reason why a secretary of a rich guy should be paying more of his or her income than their boss.

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Your percentages were completely wrong so you are the one confused not me. someone making 40k doesn't pay anywhere close to 25%. Yes you choose to ignore facts and make up false narratives that don't exist. It depends. The secretary pays the same rate on capital gains as the rich guy. You have to understand that there are different types of income.
the fact that you don't understand this nor do you understand why buffett was wrong in what he said makes this conversation impossible since you don't know what you are talking about.

I won't claim you're misinformed, it's just something many folks forget to think about...

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I am not misinformed you are 100% misinformed since you think that someone that makes 100k pays 20% and someone that makes 40k pays 25%.
you don't know the difference between income and capital gains.

It isn't anything that i forgot it is something that you just have no clue about and it is obvious.