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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    I think the only reasonable solution is MORE PUBLIC HOUSING. Sorry if it hurts the ego of college graduates to be living in projects, but beggars can't be choosers.
    How is that reasonable? Projects have been a dismal failure.

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

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    It's my water and if you don't like the price then you can go ahead and die!
    Not again. What’s gonna kill me is your overuse of this inappropriate comparison.
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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Not again. What’s gonna kill me is your overuse of this inappropriate comparison.
    You've never really explained why it's inappropriate. If two people in the desert find the dying man, are they now morally justified in demanding $500 for the water? After all there's competition now!

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Especially when landlord profits average 5-15% per year without taking into account property value increases. It's a lucrative field, but families are getting crushed.

    Further, wages aren't coming anywhere close to keeping up with the cost of living, not to mention productivity. Are you okay with average people finding it harder to start families and provide for them even though we're supposedly richer?

    To what do you have higher loyalty? Obscure economic principles? Or families?

    And especially Catholics, if you're not concerned about what's going on, you're directly contradicting Catholic social teaching.
    It all boils down to what you believe a family is and should be and I don't mean individual families but whether you are part of the American family (citizen of the United States) or a single entity that does not depend on anyone else, other than yourself.

    If you are "part of the family" you need to realize that every part of the family (like every part of a human body) is important. You don't want to cut one of your toes just for profit do you?

    In a family, greed among each other is not good even though you have the right to be greedy. It is a moral (not a legal) rule.

    Working "together" for a common goal (the health of the body/nation) is the goal. Working toward helping your pocketbook by chopping up some part of the body (even a small part like a toe) usually means the body is being degraded and in the long run that is a negative.

    On the other side of the coin, if you do not appreciate the fact that you live in a community where everyone works to make life better for everyone, like having teachers, police, laws, doctors, clerks, etc... and think you can go whole hog for yourself because you have the legal right to do so, it does suggest that money is your "only" objective in life and that what you are getting by living in a community is of no value.

    This is the basic difference between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are generally for greed for oneself and Democrats are for sharing. It is not all that think that way, but that is the "basis" difference between the two parties.
    My guiding principles in life are to be honest, genuine, thoughtful and caring. Money is important but secondary.

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    It all boils down to what you believe a family is and should be and I don't mean individual families but whether you are part of the American family (citizen of the United States) or a single entity that does not depend on anyone else, other than yourself.

    If you are "part of the family" you need to realize that every part of the family (like every part of a human body) is important. You don't want to cut one of your toes just for profit do you?

    In a family, greed among each other is not good even though you have the right to be greedy. It is a moral (not a legal) rule.

    Working "together" for a common goal (the health of the body/nation) is the goal. Working toward helping your pocketbook by chopping up some part of the body (even a small part like a toe) usually means the body is being degraded and in the long run that is a negative.

    On the other side of the coin, if you do not appreciate the fact that you live in a community where everyone works to make life better for everyone, like having teachers, police, laws, doctors, clerks, etc... and think you can go whole hog for yourself because you have the legal right to do so, it does suggest that money is your "only" objective in life and that what you are getting by living in a community is of no value.

    This is the basic difference between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are generally for greed for oneself and Democrats are for sharing. It is not all that think that way, but that is the "basis" difference between the two parties.
    I could get with all of that until the last paragraph. Look at the biggest Democratic areas. Massive rents, massive homeless problems, and total breakdown of families. Democrat CEOs talk about our responsibility while they pay their workers peanuts.

    Mammon worship controls both parties.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "To exercise pressure upon the indigent and the destitute for the sake of gain, and to gather one's profit out of the need of another, is condemned by all laws, human and divine." - Pope Leo XIII

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    It all boils down to what you believe a family is and should be and I don't mean individual families but whether you are part of the American family (citizen of the United States) or a single entity that does not depend on anyone else, other than yourself.

    If you are "part of the family" you need to realize that every part of the family (like every part of a human body) is important. You don't want to cut one of your toes just for profit do you?

    In a family, greed among each other is not good even though you have the right to be greedy. It is a moral (not a legal) rule.

    Working "together" for a common goal (the health of the body/nation) is the goal. Working toward helping your pocketbook by chopping up some part of the body (even a small part like a toe) usually means the body is being degraded and in the long run that is a negative.

    On the other side of the coin, if you do not appreciate the fact that you live in a community where everyone works to make life better for everyone, like having teachers, police, laws, doctors, clerks, etc... and think you can go whole hog for yourself because you have the legal right to do so, it does suggest that money is your "only" objective in life and that what you are getting by living in a community is of no value.

    This is the basic difference between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are generally for greed for oneself and Democrats are for sharing. It is not all that think that way, but that is the "basis" difference between the two parties.
    Democrats are for sharing what others have earned. They are good at virtue signaling though.

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Absolutely wrong. Televisions, computers, and other toys have become much cheaper. Only necessities are increasing in price.
    Necessities are the principal issue with laissez faire in general, hence the need for some regulation. As a left leaning libertarian, I recognize the idiocy of claiming ownership of, for example, natural resources.
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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eriech View Post
    Democrats are for sharing what others have earned. They are good at virtue signaling though.

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    Social Democrats are for pooling resources for the good of the overall country, which includes everyone - and everyone would benefit from a healthier, more productive society. Make no mistake, republicans are for sharing what others earn also; just, they want to share it in the form of bullets and bombs and tanks and planes and guns and APC's to invade and occupy foreign countries who disagree with our imperial policy of advance and occupy.
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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I could get with all of that until the last paragraph. Look at the biggest Democratic areas. Massive rents, massive homeless problems, and total breakdown of families. Democrat CEOs talk about our responsibility while they pay their workers peanuts.

    Mammon worship controls both parties.
    Look, all humans are faulty so if you look for examples to support your opinion on either side (Republicans and Democrats), you will always find them. What needs to be done is having a rule that is generally beneficial. You will always have someone that breaks the rule but having a rule in place will do a lot more good than bad.

    The Republican rule, as it is now, is that each person has the right to do what they want for themselves as long as it is not illegal. That needs to be changed or amended as far as it not harming others in ways that are not illegal but are immoral.

    The Democrats have it mostly right as far as sharing is concerned but they need to find way to reign in excesses.

    The family is what ultimately is most important. The family health is what should be the goal!
    My guiding principles in life are to be honest, genuine, thoughtful and caring. Money is important but secondary.

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Especially when landlord profits average 5-15% per year without taking into account property value increases. It's a lucrative field, but families are getting crushed.
    What do conservatives do to value landlords over families?

    Further, wages aren't coming anywhere close to keeping up with the cost of living, not to mention productivity. Are you okay with average people finding it harder to start families and provide for them even though we're supposedly richer?
    The median household income has increased by 20% (CPI-adjusted) since 1985. What are conservatives doing to value employers over "average families"?

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