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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's exactly the problem. Those who benefited from the price gains got theirs and now they don't care about the effects. Mammon has given them a gift, and they've neglected their Christian duty.
    Maybe they are not Christian.

    Are you going to complain if you sell your house for more than what you paid for it?

    I am starting to sense you are one of "we need to redistribute the wealth", as long it is not mine that gets redistributed.
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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    There's always another renter. Basic Capitalism insists the rent must go as high as it possibly can, so long as it still rents.

    And for the people priced out of their homes? **** them, they should have had more money. What are they, Communists?

    It's the U.S.'s new motto in action: "**** you, I got mine."
    Reality strikes.

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Especially when landlord profits average 5-15% per year without taking into account property value increases. It's a lucrative field, but families are getting crushed.

    Further, wages aren't coming anywhere close to keeping up with the cost of living, not to mention productivity. Are you okay with average people finding it harder to start families and provide for them even though we're supposedly richer?

    To what do you have higher loyalty? Obscure economic principles? Or families?

    And especially Catholics, if you're not concerned about what's going on, you're directly contradicting Catholic social teaching.
    It's not a Conservative or Democratic thing. It's the money. Ask Hollywood why they covete the Chinese billion consumers and conform their movies as to not cause waves. Ask why the NBA kowtow to Chinese displeasure. The NBA is beholden to the big shoe companies who produce and sell millions of shoes to the Chinese. Nike and Adidas control the NBA.
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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Maybe they are not Christian.

    Are you going to complain if you sell your house for more than what you paid for it?

    I am starting to sense you are one of "we need to redistribute the wealth", as long it is not mine that gets redistributed.
    I don't think having the central government do everything is a good idea. I'm not a socialist. Subsidiarity is crucial. But local communities should be able to ensure that their residents can stay there rather than selling out the town to whatever rich investors want to buy.

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is your choice. i am not going to stop you from charging it though, but it also means i don't have to buy it.
    also it might mean i don't have 500 on me. your water is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
    Lol, you're really going to die rather than betray this materialistic principle?

    We both know what you'd do. You'd take that water from me, and you'd be justified in doing so.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    laws of supply vs demand.
    if there is a large demand and a limited supply then prices will rise.
    this is just basic economics.

    there are other factors as well. Market forces dictate that the price is what people are willing to pay.
    if i build an apartment complex and people are making 200k a year and they are willing to pay 3k a month
    for rent then that is what i am going to charge.

    if they are not willing to pay 3k then i have to lower my prices.
    if you want to live in the big city where cost of living is hard to find then you are
    going to pay the cost of living in the big city vs living an hour outside of the city
    where it might be cheaper.
    So tell me. Morally why does the landlord deserve that rent and property price appreciation which are due to market forces and not anything that he contributed? They say that there's no such thing as a free lunch. Those gains come at a price, and the result is working families not being able to live decently.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "To exercise pressure upon the indigent and the destitute for the sake of gain, and to gather one's profit out of the need of another, is condemned by all laws, human and divine." - Pope Leo XIII

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Lol, you're really going to die rather than betray this materialistic principle?

    We both know what you'd do. You'd take that water from me, and you'd be justified in doing so.
    this is what you don't get. if i don't have 500 then i can't pay it. even if i had 500 it isn't worth 500 to me.
    you can only sell it for what someone is willing to pay. if i am your only customer then well i have some leverage over
    what the price will be. you might get 100 out of me but no where does it say i have to pay you 500.

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Your question is embarrassingly wrong. MANY families could survive on 1 income 50 years ago...and many required both parents to work. Today, MANY families survive on single income providers...and many require both parents to work.

    You should really try studying history and not getting your economic education from leftist memes.
    My Dad worked 2 or more jobs most of his working life, and my Mother also worked at times, to provide the means necessary to provide our needs and some of our wants. I too, during my working life occasionally did some extra work to be able to acquire some wealth for our retirement years, and to have something to leave our children.

    Wasn't our nation founded on certain unalienable Rights, among them Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So rich people should have priority to live in a community over the people who built it over multiple generations?
    Everyone has reasons to value the things they do.
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    Re: Why do conservatives value landlords and employers over families?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    this is what you don't get. if i don't have 500 then i can't pay it. even if i had 500 it isn't worth 500 to me.
    you can only sell it for what someone is willing to pay. if i am your only customer then well i have some leverage over
    what the price will be. you might get 100 out of me but no where does it say i have to pay you 500.
    And you'd be fine with me taking $100 from you?

    No you wouldn't. You don't want to answer honestly because you don't like the implications of the honest answer.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "To exercise pressure upon the indigent and the destitute for the sake of gain, and to gather one's profit out of the need of another, is condemned by all laws, human and divine." - Pope Leo XIII

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