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Deep state leaker or a patriot?

Aristaeus said:
Hell yeah. I'd personally be happy with jailing anyone who dares criticize Trump, but no doubt the whiny liberals would complain. Trump needs to declare elections illegal until the swamp is drained; no point refilling the swamp after just 8 years.

I'm glad Trump asked Ukraine to interfere in the election. Democrats must be prevented from gaining power under any circumstances, even if that means no more elections. It's the safest way.
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Are you serious? How many hand-picked 'best people' have been sacked or deserted him, only for Trump to refill the 'swamp' with more embarrassingly incompetent idiots, just like him?
 
Acadia said:
It says so much about Democrats that they only care about power. Absolute power. They are willing to destroy the country to do it. And that's fine with them, because they want it rebuilt in their own image.
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Or they just want to see it destroyed.

Crazies gotta crazy...
 
As to terms "Deep State".... if it does exist... I'd say its the Confederacy Idealist who are still fighting the battle of Confederacy Agenda.... and those who want to keep the system of "wealthy white male dominance" as the policy agenda.

So, when Republican talk about such... its likely themselves they are talking about.

Because America by the principles of its Declaration of Independence and the Values within its Preamble, and the Constitutions Principles is based on a "Liberal Nation"..... anything other than that.. may be what the Term Deep State refers to, and that fits with Current Day Republican Ideology more than anything else.

It has been Republican to try and break the people's trust in Government, It is Republican who seem to think it will be easier for them to Overtake the Government with their Confederacy Ideals and their Confederacy Agenda. It has been Republican who have tried to break the peoples support of the Media, simply because the media won't submit to their confederacy agenda and patronize them.

If there's a Deep State, it's the acts by the Confederate Idealist... who keep trying to Undermine our Nation and its Governance and continually trying to promote any form of "segregation" that it can conjure up. While trying to Turn Democracy into a Plutocracy. And... It is Republicans who are "incessantly" trying to dictate to people, as to how they should live.. and they are the ones who is trying to re-create White Nationalism....
 
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trixare4kids said:
I don't remember the above ever happening to any president, the deliberate leaking meant to undermine the president of the U.S.
What about the precedence all this partisan leaking is setting for the republic, no matter who sits in the WH? Are people this desperate to have their team take over?
I fear some are so invested in their witch hunt type politics, (whomever this unnamed NSC source is), that they are not giving any forethought to the harm they are doing to the republic. The fact that they don't even care is dangerous.

We are living in scary times.
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That's because no previous president ever voluntarily facilitated genocide before. Desperate times and all that.
 
Deep state leaker or a patriot?
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I find this "news" very troubling, it should bother all AmeirCANs. Whomever "leaked" this information did no AmeriCAN a favor. This President has embarrassed himself publicly many times and every time it's an embarrassment for all AmeriCANs. But true or not for someone from our National Security Council to "leak" this as news is an embarrassment to ALL of U.S./US. This kind of behavior can't be tolerated if we are to be respected on the international stage, it undermines the ability of our government to do Americas business.

BUT, I have to say this thread epitomizes the real danger to Americas GREATNESS. Nothing in that article says what party the leaker is from, but everyone here, FROM THE RIGHT, without a thought or skipping a beat blames this on the left. And they have pulled out ALL the usual talking points of why the left SUCKS whether they have anything to do with this topic or not. And then the LEFT starts defending itself by throwing ALL their usual talking points back whether they have anything to do with this topic or not.

IF you people can't see that we have nailed down America's most fundamental problem, what threatens our Nation's existence more than anything else in this world. IT's us because we are no longer US/U.S. This infighting is destroying US. :(
 
Captain Adverse said:
Well, IMO it is just another example of a non-elected partisan trying to affect policy by leaking information in violation of oaths and ethics. In this case it appears to be just slanderous opinion

These individuals are supposed to do their jobs. If the job is to advise the President, then offer counsel that differs to insure it is something considered before a President makes a decision. But the final decision should be the President's at which point either buck up and support him/her, or resign.

But this constant effort to undermine the Chief Executive simply because they think they know better has troubled me for years. The examples being set since 2016 are going to poison all future administrations.

Consider the possibility of an Administration YOU support, and then having a number of civil servants who oppose your candidate "leaking" information, asserting slanderous claims, doing everything possible to make that Administration fail from within. Don't think this example is going to stop here.

People who serve the system need to buck-up and do the job they were hired to do. Raise reasonable objection, but then when given your marching orders, do your job. If you can't then go look for another job. Let the President find someone who will work to support their policies.

Feel free to vote the President out at the end of four years.
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Imagine a president who had absolute power, someone like trump, to do anything they wish with no repercussions, nobody to blow the whistle, nobody to send up a flare, nobody to raise any red flags. Imagine where we would be right now if trump had that power. He doesn't and look at where we are now.

Sure there is potential danger with leakers but the danger would be even more severe with a leader with unlimited power.
 
bongsaway said:
Imagine a president who had absolute power, someone like trump, to do anything they wish with no repercussions, nobody to blow the whistle, nobody to send up a flare, nobody to raise any red flags. Imagine where we would be right now if trump had that power. He doesn't and look at where we are now.

Sure there is potential danger with leakers but the danger would be even more severe with a leader with unlimited power.
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False Equivalency.

The story in the OP does not even fall into any such category. It is merely a slanderous attack, voicing a "negative opinion" about how they "felt" a conversation went.

President's do not have "absolute power." There is no need to "imagine" something so as to set up a straw man argument like you propose.

No American government servant is required to obey illegal orders. There are all sorts of established checks and balances, as well as legal recourses if such occurs.

Your constant attempts to compare Trump to a dictator are rejected. :coffeepap:
 
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Captain Adverse said:
False Equivalency.

President's do not have "absolute power." There is no need to "imagine" something so as to set up a straw man argument like you propose.

No American government servant is required to obey illegal orders. There are all sorts of established checks and balances, as well as legal recourses if such occurs.

Your constant attempts to compare Trump to a dictator are rejected. :coffeepap:
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And why do you suppose our president wants to confront his whistle-blower face to face?
 
Captain Adverse said:
False Equivalency.

President's do not have "absolute power." There is no need to "imagine" something so as to set up a straw man argument like you propose.

No American government servant is required to obey illegal orders. There are all sorts of established checks and balances, as well as legal recourses if such occurs.

The story in the OP does not even fall into any such category. It is merely a slanderous attack, voicing a "negative opinion" about how they "felt" a conversation went.

Your constant attempts to compare Trump to a dictator are rejected. :coffeepap:
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So stop acting like a dictator.
 
bongsaway said:
And why do you suppose our president wants to confront his whistle-blower face to face?
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For the same reasons anyone else wants to "confront" an accuser "face to face."

If you were being accused of something, I suppose you would prefer the accuser remain anonymous? :roll:
 
trixare4kids said:
Deep state unnamed leaker or a patriot?
I'll let you decide.

Discuss.

Exclusive: Official Who Heard Call Says Trump Got 'Rolled' By Turkey and 'Has No Spine'
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I can't help but think that it is the American People who are being 'rolled', again, by Deep State creatures and their sycophants in the media.

Real Whistleblowers, like Ellsberg, Manning, Snowden, Assange and more stand tall with their own names.

Faux Whistleblowers inside the Deep State remain hidden and disguised, anonymous, like so many sources "quoted" by our mainstream media.
 
At what point do Trump defenders feel stupid?

It's not Trump.. it's:
- a deep state "leaker" -
- a partisan whistle-blower
- a second partisan whistle-blower
- Schiff, Nancy, Nadler all out to get him
- Republican Rosenstein out ot get him
- Republican Comey out to get him
- Republican Mueller out to get him
- Cohen his former personal fixer for 10 years, was the bad guy
- FBI is all corrupted when it comes to Trump
- U.S. Intelligence got it all wrong, Trump/Russia know best
- The 80% of all U.S. news media is all wrong, only the faithful 20% (entertainers like Hannity, Rush, etc.) are right
- Our U.S. diplomats are wrong, Trump is right
- Former navy seals..wrong, Trump is rigt.
- **** the gold start families, Trump is right.
- FEC is wrong, Trump is right
- Courts are wrong when against Trump
- Senate is wrong (on Russian sanctions), Trump is right

vs
The problem is Trump.

It's like everyone in the universe has to be deemed wrong, any time they oppose Trump. At what point do his supporters feel stupid.

It's Trump.
 
Aristaeus said:
The Democratic party really need to be outlawed at this point. Put Pelosi and the rest of them in jail, and execute the whistleblowers.

Trump needs to stay in power until the swamp is drained, whether that takes 10 or 20 years.
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How is it that you lean socialist?
 
Irredentist said:
Can the answer be both?
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I suppose if one is for this type of treason, (leaking the conversations of the CIC to the press) one would come to that conclusion.
 
Mach said:
At what point do Trump defenders feel stupid?

It's not Trump.. it's:
- a deep state "leaker" -
- a partisan whistle-blower
- a second partisan whistle-blower
- Schiff, Nancy, Nadler all out to get him
- Republican Rosenstein out ot get him
- Republican Comey out to get him
- Republican Mueller out to get him
- Cohen his former personal fixer for 10 years, was the bad guy
- FBI is all corrupted when it comes to Trump
- U.S. Intelligence got it all wrong, Trump/Russia know best
- The 80% of all U.S. news media is all wrong, only the faithful 20% (entertainers like Hannity, Rush, etc.) are right
- Our U.S. diplomats are wrong, Trump is right
- Former navy seals..wrong, Trump is rigt.
- **** the gold start families, Trump is right.
- FEC is wrong, Trump is right
- Courts are wrong when against Trump
- Senate is wrong (on Russian sanctions), Trump is right

vs
The problem is Trump.

It's like everyone in the universe has to be deemed wrong, any time they oppose Trump. At what point do his supporters feel stupid.

It's Trump.
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Comey fired

McCabe fired

Strzok fired

evidence of corruption in law enforcement handling major investigations against Trump.....go figure
 
chuckiechan said:
He’s a part of an organized effort to finally “get” Trump. The two whistleblowers are a team. One is used to generate talk about the other, so what you have is a feedback loop designed for the media to feed on, yet in reality there is no new information just one boosting the other.

That is why I think the intelligence agencies are involved.
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You have to deny reality to believe such stupid stuff. These claims by the whistle-blowers were deemed credible and urgent by an independant IG. When you lie and act as though this is some big conspiracy you are trashing our country and our laws and our institutions. It's shameful.
 
3leftsdoo said:
The People will only stand for so much.
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We'll soon see about that when in a couple of weeks when the IG report comes out....We already have James Clapper on a CNN video throwing Obama under the bus.
 
Acadia said:
Oh heck yeah! Democrats and Republicans have been meddling in elections all over the world since forever. Now the Democrats clutch their pearls because some WB gets the vapors over a phone call with Ukraine.
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A bunch of phony baloney is standard operating procedure for the democrooks.
 
trixare4kids said:
Deep state unnamed leaker or a patriot?
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Oh, those are our only choices? :roll:

Every administration has leaks. Obama even prosecuted some leakers.

Most of the time, it's White House staffers who are trying to nail a rival, or push a specific policy.

The more important point is that the leaks are usually accurate.
 
It's amazing how the left will cozy up to anyone, no matter how opposed their views usually are, in the service of attacking Trump. Now, they are in lockstep with the neo-cons and others who favor an endless US presence in the ME and ongoing efforts at regime change. Have we learned nothing from Iraq, Libya and other such misguided efforts? Let the ME resolve its own messes without the effusion of more US blood and treasure. They will NEVER live in peace or embrace the systems of government we favor. We are no longer beholden to ME oil, either, so let them fight it out and, if it impacts the EU adversely, let the EU spill its blood, not ours.

Trump has rightly decided that we are not gaining anything by these adventures and are not the world's policeman. When Obama pulled out large numbers of troops from Iraq, the left cheered. When Trump withdraws he's "abandoning our allies". I suggest that all these liberals complaining send their sons and daughters into the fray to die or be maimed in the effort to support one ME faction over another. Then tell us how vital it was.
 
Mach said:
At what point do Trump defenders feel stupid?

It's not Trump.. it's:
- a deep state "leaker" -
- a partisan whistle-blower
- a second partisan whistle-blower
- Schiff, Nancy, Nadler all out to get him
- Republican Rosenstein out ot get him
- Republican Comey out to get him
- Republican Mueller out to get him
- Cohen his former personal fixer for 10 years, was the bad guy
- FBI is all corrupted when it comes to Trump
- U.S. Intelligence got it all wrong, Trump/Russia know best
- The 80% of all U.S. news media is all wrong, only the faithful 20% (entertainers like Hannity, Rush, etc.) are right
- Our U.S. diplomats are wrong, Trump is right
- Former navy seals..wrong, Trump is rigt.
- **** the gold start families, Trump is right.
- FEC is wrong, Trump is right
- Courts are wrong when against Trump
- Senate is wrong (on Russian sanctions), Trump is right

vs
The problem is Trump.

It's like everyone in the universe has to be deemed wrong, any time they oppose Trump. At what point do his supporters feel stupid.

It's Trump.
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You forgot to add to your list, DP anti-Trumps screaming the sky is falling

You're welcome.
 
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