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The GOP is gaslighting America

tacomancer said:
I think this may be where we differ. I am fine with rooting out corruption. We need leaders who are honest before any real progress is made in this country.
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Nice fantasy. Have anyone in mind? Both main parties have the system rigged so that the only candidates to vote on have already been corrupted. You can't run for office anywhere and expect to win unless you have the backing of a corrupt party. That's why Bernie is running as a Democrat. He knows he can't win without the backing of the corrupt Democratic party. That's why Tea Partiers and Libertarians run as Republicans. They know they can't win without the help of the corrupt Republican party.
 
Moderate Right said:
Nice fantasy. Have anyone in mind? Both main parties have the system rigged so that the only candidates to vote on have already been corrupted. You can't run for office anywhere and expect to win unless you have the backing of a corrupt party. That's why Bernie is running as a Democrat. He knows he can't win without the backing of the corrupt Democratic party. That's why Tea Partiers and Libertarians run as Republicans. They know they can't win without the help of the corrupt Republican party.
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I refuse to believe there isn't hope, but no I have no idea where to start.
 
TurtleDude said:
only those with TDS think Trump is far more corrupt than the clinton crime family. It is one of the main reasons why you all lost
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Only real christians and real law and order people can't see that Donald Trump is the most corrupt president we've had in probably a 100 years.

That he's a 1000 times more corrupt than Hillary is just icing on the cake.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Only real christians and real law and order people can't see that Donald Trump is the most corrupt president we've had in probably a 100 years.

That he's a 1000 times more corrupt than Hillary is just icing on the cake.
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So you say, I find your assertions specious.
 
tacomancer said:
I refuse to believe there isn't hope, but no I have no idea where to start.
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I'm a realist. Both Democrats and Republicans have the system rigged so that only one of those two parties can win and they provide us with the primary candidates in which to vote for. So, they provide us with the candidates to vote for right out of the gate and it just goes downhill from there as these candidates go up the political ladder. Voters are naive if they think someone like Bernie is going to change our corrupt system because, as I already stated, Bernie has to run as a Democrat in order to win. He needs their money and their influence. Hell, that is why voters voted for Trump, both Republican voters and Democratic voters. Trump represented anti-establishment, anti-party - get rid of the DC swamp. So, let's say for the sake of argument that voters realize that Trump is a corrupt con man and decide that they are never going to be conned again. That means we are right back where we started - voting for the establishment corrupt leaders that the corrupt Democratic and Republican parties choose for us. Now let's take it one step further and say that Bernie is actually our savior, Jesus Christ, Honest Abe, who has come to drain the swamp and return America to the people. He has to get all his swamp draining ideas passed by the very people who have been corrupted by both parties. Good luck with that.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Biden is not currently running opposite Trump for any office. Your theory is pure speculation
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LOL He is so.

(CNN)Democrats might ask themselves why President Donald Trump is so intent on smearing former Vice President Joe Biden with phony scandals. Why isn't he doing the same to Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who's been climbing in the polls and has a shot at becoming the Democratic nominee for president?

The clear answer is that Biden, in his own words, could "beat him like a drum" -- and while Warren could win against Trump, her victory does not look like a resounding one, according to recent polls. In Trump's view, Biden poses the greatest threat and must be destroyed. And what better way than to wound Biden to the point that Democrats might think he's more trouble than he's worth?
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There's a good reason why Donald Trump is intent on smearing Joe Biden (opinion) - CNN
 
trouble13 said:
First off Trump had nothing to do with what Russia did as has been concluded by Mueller.
Secondly if China investigates Biden that is not the same thing as using FB bots.

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Mueller found that Manafort shared internal polling data with a Russian operative while he was his campaign manager. Data that was used by Russian trolls to target voters in the 3 Blue States that Trump won by hair thin margins. Cambridge Analytica execs claimed they won the election for Trump and it was their data that was transferred by Manafort.
“We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting, we ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy,” Cambridge Analytica CEO Alexander Nix tells an undercover reporter posing as a fixer for a wealthy family in Sri Lanka that hoped to get candidates elected in that country.
“When you think about the fact that Donald Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes but won the electoral college vote, that’s down to the data and the research.…
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Cambridge Analytica Execs Boast of Role in Trump’s Election Win | Hollywood Reporter
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm against endless witch hunt investigations from both sides. It's time to work together and run the country instead of investing your time in trying to take the other side down.
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Another ridiculous "Both sides" argument from a Trump acolyte.

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Stop lying.

You were perfectly ok with ALL 8 witch hunt investigations of the Benghazi fake-scandal. You are perfectly ok with endless investigations of Hillary Clinton. You have not once previously expressed frustration with any of the endless fake-scandals and witch hunt investigations of the Obama administration (from Birtherism...to Death Panels...to Fast and Furious...to the IRS and APNews stories...etc. etc.), have you?

The only reason you people care about "endless investigations" now is because the target of said investigations has been a fellow right-winger who happens to be the most corrupt POTUS in the approximately 250 years of this great democracy.

Investigations should only happen when there is bipartisan agreement on the investigation.
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Really? So, tell us...how much bipartisan agreement existed for the EIGHT Benghazi investigations, huh?

How much bipartisan agreement existed to launch the impeachment hearings for Nixon, by the House Judiciary Committee? The answer for you (because we both know you don't like to read)...was ZERO. The vote on the committee was a strict party-line vote. So, are you stating right here and now that you do not believe impeachment hearings were warranted against Richard Nixon?

Sorry, but your argument here is both historically IGNORANT...and just plain illogical. Clearly, it's a typical Trump acolyte argument-one FABRICATED by a in order to suit your pre-existing biases.
 
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TurtleDude said:
good luck with that.
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luck hasn't nothing to do with it. Trump's words and actions do.

hell, even some Republicans are slowly coming around. that's funny too.
 
ultmd said:
Another ridiculous "Both sides" argument from a Trump acolyte.

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Stop lying.

You were perfectly ok with ALL 8 witch hunt investigations of the Benghazi fake-scandal. You are perfectly ok with endless investigations of Hillary Clinton. You have not once previously expressed frustration with any of the endless fake-scandals and witch hunt investigations of the Obama administration (from Birtherism...to Death Panels...to Fast and Furious...to the IRS and APNews stories...etc. etc.), have you?

The only reason you people care about "endless investigations" now is because the target of said investigations has been a fellow right-winger who happens to be the most corrupt POTUS in the approximately 250 years of this great democracy.



Really? So, tell us...how much bipartisan agreement existed for the EIGHT Benghazi investigations, huh?

How much bipartisan agreement existed to launch the impeachment hearings for Nixon, by the House Judiciary Committee? The answer for you (because we both know you don't like to read)...was ZERO. The vote on the committee was a strict party-line vote. So, are you stating right here and now that you do not believe impeachment hearings were warranted against Richard Nixon?

Sorry, but your argument here is both historically IGNORANT...and just plain illogical. Clearly, it's a typical Trump acolyte argument-one FABRICATED by a in order to suit your pre-existing biases.
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I was not fine with that. You are the one who is lying.
 
trouble13 said:
Lets say china did investigate bidens son at Trumps request; how is that interfering with our elections?
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Well, it's like this: If a foreign country, ANY foreign country were to claim they were investigating Biden for corruption, then Trump could bring this up at every campaign event. "If Biden hasn't done anything wrong, tell me why he's being investigated for corruption by (insert name of country here)?"

If the foreign country were to 'investigate' Biden in order to curry favor with Trump, it would not matter whether there was any substance to the investigation or even any basis. It would be a be just another phony Hillary investigation, which by the way, several republicans later admitted were started simply to hurt Hillary politically. They never had any intention of charging her criminally.

What you're suggesting is that if Trump calls on another nation to "do me a favor..." you're ok with that, regardless of the merits or conflicts of interest. As long as Trump can instill the idea that Biden (or whomever the nominee turns out to be) is corrupt, it does not matter whether there is any substance to the claim.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Well, it's like this: If a foreign country, ANY foreign country were to claim they were investigating Biden for corruption, then Trump could bring this up at every campaign event. "If Biden hasn't done anything wrong, tell me why he's being investigated for corruption by (insert name of country here)?"

If the foreign country were to 'investigate' Biden in order to curry favor with Trump, it would not matter whether there was any substance to the investigation or even any basis. It would be a be just another phony Hillary investigation, which by the way, several republicans later admitted were started simply to hurt Hillary politically. They never had any intention of charging her criminally.

What you're suggesting is that if Trump calls on another nation to "do me a favor..." you're ok with that, regardless of the merits or conflicts of interest. As long as Trump can instill the idea that Biden (or whomever the nominee turns out to be) is corrupt, it does not matter whether there is any substance to the claim.
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What you're suggesting is the democrats investigating trump is also interference with our election.

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trouble13 said:
What you're suggesting is the democrats investigating trump is also interference with our election.
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Are you not familiar with the phrase "foreign country"?

It is illegal for a candidate to solicit an investigation of a political opponent from a foreign country. You know that. You can pretend you don't, but there are a whole bunch of people in the West Wing and the State Department who know it, too. That's why there was such a scramble to "lock it down" immediately following the call.

The Dems in Congress are doing their job.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Are you not familiar with the phrase "foreign country"?

It is illegal for a candidate to solicit an investigation of a political opponent from a foreign country. You know that. You can pretend you don't, but there are a whole bunch of people in the West Wing and the State Department who know it, too. That's why there was such a scramble to "lock it down" immediately following the call.

The Dems in Congress are doing their job.
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Impeach whenever youre ready. Just nudge me to wake me up the idle threats are boring.

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VanceMack said:
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This is ****ing hilarious.

The idiot left in this country has been cheering on the rat party as they went through several intermediaries trying to cover their tracks, hired foreign agents who then fabricated dirt which was used in an attempt to sway an election, and then used that foreign fabricated bull**** that was bought and opaid for by the rat party, in a coordinated attempt with members of the nations leading law enforcement agency, to attempt to overthrow the results of the election...

and NOW the idiot left is ****ting themselves over a phone call to a foreign leader asking for help in investigating a corrupt leftist politician.

Gaslighting?

:lamo
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^Example of gaslighting.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Blah blah blah. Cue corny cliche right on schedule.

The office of the presidency Is provided for by law and he can request of a foreign government whatever he deems necessary
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Even a little naked girl every day! Just in case he needs one.

Such a stupid angle to take.
 
VanceMack said:
Absolutely EVERYTHING I said there is 100% factual and you know it. Worse, because you are just as guilty as every other leftist on this site of hypocrisy. You LOVE that the rat party sought foreign intervention to influence an election...when it was your ****ing rats that were doing it.

You have **** for credibility.
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Ima bet you ran away from home when you found out there was no Santa.

Sometimes it turns out that you have been lied to by people that you trust.

The mature response is to be angry at those who lied to you, not those who exposed the lies.

I can't be certain, and don't really care, but it sounds Luke you subscribe to one of the conspiracy theories that require time travel to be possible.
 
apdst said:
Trump is the president. It's impossible for this to be a conflict of interest.
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It's "president"

Not "god-king".

Words have meanings.

The founders wouldn't have separated the powers if they wanted our leader to be above the law.
 
VanceMack said:
The hired an agent who hired an agent who hired an agent to get to a foreign agent who hired foreign agents to provide lies to be used to alter an election. They lied about their involvement. The rats used foreign agents to try to sway an election, then to try to undo the results of an election and you gleefully jumped up and down and cheered them on. And today you **** yourself over a phone call.

You are a hypocrite...you know it...and you have LLLLLLOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTSSSSS of company.
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Y'all sure do posit a herculean effort to construct a defense against a guy nobody thought would win. Not even trump himself.

None of your stories explain why they didn't use all their ammunition to keep him from getting elected in the first place.
 
Donald Trump is just a really bad human being.

At least we now know what a person turns out like when their parents gives them a billion dollars.
 
apdst said:
It isn't a conflict of interest when a president talks to a foreign leader. It can't be. That's ****ing idiotic.
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That depends ENTIRELY on what they talk about.

If you respond to this I will begin providing examples of things that anybody with any sense would consider "conflict of interest".

I will continue until you feel stupid. And then keep going until you quit the field.

Enough of this stupidity.
 
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