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The GOP is gaslighting America

VanceMack said:
Absolutely EVERYTHING I said there is 100% factual and you know it. Worse, because you are just as guilty as every other leftist on this site of hypocrisy. You LOVE that the rat party sought foreign intervention to influence an election...when it was your ****ing rats that were doing it.

You have **** for credibility.
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Oh. My. God.
 
Obscurity said:
Are you saying Trump wouldn't use anything obtained from this investigation to slander, smear and besmirch Biden, no matter how trivial?

come on now, you can't expect the majority of americans to be this stupid.
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Absolutely he would. Are you saying thats a crime?

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It's funny how the first example of gas lighting from a trump supporter is literally in the second post.
 
btthegreat said:
Has it occurred to you, that if foreign govts investigate an American, based on a self interested request by the President of the United States, they may be less than scrupulous in how they run that investigation and how they report its results to please the same man they wanted or felt they needed to please by starting it in the first place? While China is saying it won't be play a part in our elections, it is establishing itself as disinterested in impacting the result. The moment that China acts in a way that belies that intent, it pollutes their moral authority to run an independent investigation.

The very fact that an investigation of a political opponent of the President is precipitated by his self interested request for one, taints the inevitable outcome any such investigation is designed to foster.
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That logic disqualifies all investigations because of self interests. The questions should be is if there is reasonsble enough suspicion to investigate something and if the investigation is a fair one.

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Slyfox696 said:
No it's not. Not even close. Just typical lies. For example:
Cover their tracks? The DNC used the same company that was first hired by conservative media.
Who? Steele? Steele was not hired by the DNC. And he was a FORMER agent of who had worked with the FBI before and was hired by Fusion because of his expertise with Russia.
Again, assuming you are talking about Steele, nothing was "fabricated". Steele brought to the FBI raw intelligence based on his work, much of which has been corroborated since and none disproven.
Unlike the Clinton investigation, the FBI never stated they had an open counterintel investigation into the Trump campaign before the election. The Steele dossier was not made public until after the election.

So unless you are talking about something completely different, then you are posting lies. I didn't even go through your entire statement, just the first four parts of it and they were all not true, but all parroted GOP talking points which conflict heavy with reality.

Again, you are the evidence of the gaslighting by the GOP.
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:lamo

Bull****. The Clinton campaign went to Perkins Coie to get to Fusion. The rat party went separately to Fusion. Fusion hired Orbis to get to Steele...but the rat party lied about hiring Fusion at all. In Hill interviews, top Dems denied knowledge of payments to firm behind Trump dossier - CNNPolitics Steele lied about knowing who he was providing data for.

Look...you know this is all dirty as ****. You know its BS. Its pathetic that you want to sit their and stomp your feet and pretend otherwise. You are a hypocrite. All of you leftists are. You are as dirty as the rats you support. That you now are ****ting yourself over a phone call after spending 3 years gleefully supporting foreign intervention in our election process foreign intervention bought and paid for by the rats you adore. Its ****ing embarrassing. And yet...there you are.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I actually think Monarchy is the most just form of government.

North Korea is not an ideal government because it’s an atheistic state who’s ruler doesn’t rule by God’s divine right
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Right here it is folks, a divine Monarchy is what the "very conservative" are looking for.

sorry, there is no justice when ruled by the whims of one individual. You ignore history.
 
trouble13 said:
Absolutely he would. Are you saying thats a crime?

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It doesn't matter if it is a crime. It would invariably alter the election in Trump's favor, and would not actually benefit the US average citizen. Thank you for admitting why he did this.

Remember, a crime is not needed for impeachment.
 
tacomancer said:
I am fine with China doing their investigations on its face. The problem is that Trump should have followed proper procedures and gone through the state department or other legal paths and then recused himself from the matter due to a conflict of interest as he is also a political figure. That very conflict of interest is at the root of this whole problem.
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Trump is the president. It's impossible for this to be a conflict of interest.
 
trouble13 said:
Lets say china did investigate bidens son at Trumps request; how is that interfering with our elections?

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Biden reportedly is a candidate for the presidency.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Bull****. The Clinton campaign went to Perkins Coie to get to Fusion.
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...so? Perkins Coie is the attorneys for the DNC.

Seriously, do you even understand how stupid the things you are saying are right?
In Hill interviews, top Dems denied knowledge of payments to firm behind Trump dossier - CNNPolitics
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...so? This is a prime example of gaslighting. You are providing a report which provides absolutely nothing of substance to the discussion.

Steele lied about knowing who he was providing data for.
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Source? Relevance? Does it change the fact the things he reported to the FBI have been corroborated? No?

Look...you know this is all dirty as ****.
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I know that many allegations in the Steele dossier have been corroborated. I know the Mueller Report clearly showed collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. I know Trump's White House released a summary which confirmed what was in the Whistleblower complaint. I know Trump is on video suggesting China should investigate his political rival.

You're trying to distract from ALL of that by talking about things that do not change ANY of the facts above. That is gaslighting. You are parroting GOP talking points.

You are the evidence that the gaslighting has worked.

You are a hypocrite.
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No, you just don't like the fact I'm clearly more informed than you.

All of you leftists are.
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I'm not a "leftist". I'm an American who believes in honesty. The fact you differentiate yourself from that is quite telling.

That you now are ****ting yourself over a phone call
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A phone call? The President of the United States try to leverage US policy to force a foreign country to manufacture a phony scandal against his political rival in time for the 2020 election. Trump was actively taking steps to coordinate a disinformation campaign against Americans.

The fact you are okay with that says all anyone needs to know about you.
after spending 3 years gleefully supporting foreign intervention in our election process
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I have never once supported Russia's attacking of America.

I think you have me confused with you and those like you who seem to be completely okay with the collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
...so? Perkins Coie is the attorneys for the DNC.

Seriously, do you even understand how stupid the things you are saying are right?
...so? This is a prime example of gaslighting. You are providing a report which provides absolutely nothing of substance to the discussion.

Source? Relevance? Does it change the fact the things he reported to the FBI have been corroborated? No?

I know that many allegations in the Steele dossier have been corroborated. I know the Mueller Report clearly showed collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. I know Trump's White House released a summary which confirmed what was in the Whistleblower complaint. I know Trump is on video suggesting China should investigate his political rival.

You're trying to distract from ALL of that by talking about things that do not change ANY of the facts above. That is gaslighting. You are parroting GOP talking points.

You are the evidence that the gaslighting has worked.

No, you just don't like the fact I'm clearly more informed than you.

I'm not a "leftist". I'm an American who believes in honesty. The fact you differentiate yourself from that is quite telling.

A phone call? The President of the United States try to leverage US policy to force a foreign country to manufacture a phony scandal against his political rival in time for the 2020 election. Trump was actively taking steps to coordinate a disinformation campaign against Americans.

The fact you are okay with that says all anyone needs to know about you.
I have never once supported Russia's attacking of America.

I think you have me confused with you and those like you who seem to be completely okay with the collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.
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Lemmings don’t ask questions only provide excuses....The New Democratic Party head in sand running toward the cliff. .....great visual....Which is 2020 Election loss
 
Slyfox696 said:
...so? Perkins Coie is the attorneys for the DNC.

Seriously, do you even understand how stupid the things you are saying are right?
...so? This is a prime example of gaslighting. You are providing a report which provides absolutely nothing of substance to the discussion.

Source? Relevance? Does it change the fact the things he reported to the FBI have been corroborated? No?

I know that many allegations in the Steele dossier have been corroborated. I know the Mueller Report clearly showed collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. I know Trump's White House released a summary which confirmed what was in the Whistleblower complaint. I know Trump is on video suggesting China should investigate his political rival.

You're trying to distract from ALL of that by talking about things that do not change ANY of the facts above. That is gaslighting. You are parroting GOP talking points.

You are the evidence that the gaslighting has worked.

No, you just don't like the fact I'm clearly more informed than you.

I'm not a "leftist". I'm an American who believes in honesty. The fact you differentiate yourself from that is quite telling.

A phone call? The President of the United States try to leverage US policy to force a foreign country to manufacture a phony scandal against his political rival in time for the 2020 election. Trump was actively taking steps to coordinate a disinformation campaign against Americans.

The fact you are okay with that says all anyone needs to know about you.
I have never once supported Russia's attacking of America.

I think you have me confused with you and those like you who seem to be completely okay with the collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.
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The hired an agent who hired an agent who hired an agent to get to a foreign agent who hired foreign agents to provide lies to be used to alter an election. They lied about their involvement. The rats used foreign agents to try to sway an election, then to try to undo the results of an election and you gleefully jumped up and down and cheered them on. And today you **** yourself over a phone call.

You are a hypocrite...you know it...and you have LLLLLLOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTSSSSS of company.
 
apdst said:
Trump is the president. It's impossible for this to be a conflict of interest.
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:lol:

That is literally why its a conflict of interest.
 
trouble13 said:
Lets say china did investigate bidens son at Trumps request; how is that interfering with our elections?

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You mean besides the outrage of a totalitarian regime being asked to investigate an American citizen by our own President?
 
tacomancer said:
:lol:

That is literally why its a conflict of interest.
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It isn't a conflict of interest when a president talks to a foreign leader. It can't be. That's ****ing idiotic.
 
VanceMack said:
The hired an agent who hired an agent who hired an agent to get to a foreign agent who hired foreign agents to provide lies to be used to alter an election. They lied about their involvement. The rats used foreign agents to try to sway an election, then to try to undo the results of an election and you gleefully jumped up and down and cheered them on. And today you **** yourself over a phone call.

You are a hypocrite...you know it...and you have LLLLLLOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTSSSSS of company.
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Mueller found that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” Isn't that what the dossier also claimed?
 
apdst said:
It isn't a conflict of interest when a president talks to a foreign leader. It can't be. That's ****ing idiotic.
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It depends on what was said :)
 
apdst said:
It isn't a conflict of interest when a president talks to a foreign leader. It can't be. That's ****ing idiotic.
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Besides being against election laws and the Constitution, asking a communist dictatorship to investigate an American citizen is outrageously wrong.
 
iguanaman said:
Besides being against election laws and the Constitution, asking a communist dictatorship to investigate an American citizen is outrageously wrong.
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What election law? What part of The Constitution (cite the exact text)?
 
tacomancer said:
Tell that to the people running the impeachment inquiry :)
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They're wrong. They're using the impeachment power to overturn election results and that's unconstitutional.
 
apdst said:
They're wrong. They're using the impeachment power to overturn election results and that's unconstitutional.
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:lol: That is literally in the constitution, but keep trying, this is fun!
 
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