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    The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    The new movie from the Batman franchise, “Joker”, has broken box office records, even as it has made many movie goers anxious over its often shocking depiction of psychopathic and gratuitous violence.

    There are many who are explaining the success of the movie because they see it as capturing the mood of our time: an allegory for the Trump era.

    ”It stars Joaquin Phoenix as Joker, a troubled man who turns into a killer. The murderous clown's indiscriminate violence has put critics and authorities on edge...

    "Warner Bros. believes that one of the functions of storytelling is to provoke difficult conversations around complex issues," a statement from the studio said last month. "It is not the intention of the film, the filmmakers or the studio to hold this character up as a hero."
    'Joker' shatters box office records despite its controversial depiction of violence - CNN
    What “difficult conversations” was intended by the movie makers?

    The plot is about a struggling and unsuccessful party clown who lives with his mother. In a difficult time when he has just been fired from a gig, he is mocked by three businessmen. In frustration, he kills them. This leads to riots on the street against “the elite”.

    It is about the frustrations of being left behind, marginalized, and mocked? Obama once mocked them for being left behind and “clinging to their guns and Bibles”. Obviously, a big mistake.

    So is this a story about Donald Trump and his supporters and their payback? The reassurances of having your legal fees covered if you physically beat up your political opponents? Or joking and laughing about shooting desperate asylum-seekers at your border? About separating young children from their parents to teach them a lesson? At enjoying having a known criminal in power who is meting out payback to those who were giving you a hard time and mocking you? And enjoying and laughing at “trolling the liberals” when anyone gets upset at this level of deplorable behavior and rhetoric?

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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Believe it or not... Not everything is about Trump and the world does not revolve around Progressive's feelings.



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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Someone who doesn't know the franchise would say that.

    Joker is, and almost always has been, an argument about nature vs nurture.

    Are criminals born, or made?
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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    The new movie from the Batman franchise, “Joker”, has broken box office records, even as it has made many movie goers anxious over its often shocking depiction of psychopathic and gratuitous violence.

    There are many who are explaining the success of the movie because they see it as capturing the mood of our time: an allegory for the Trump era.



    What “difficult conversations” was intended by the movie makers?

    The plot is about a struggling and unsuccessful party clown who lives with his mother. In a difficult time when he has just been fired from a gig, he is mocked by three businessmen. In frustration, he kills them. This leads to riots on the street against “the elite”.

    It is about the frustrations of being left behind, marginalized, and mocked? Obama once mocked them for being left behind and “clinging to their guns and Bibles”. Obviously, a big mistake.

    So is this a story about Donald Trump and his supporters and their payback? The reassurances of having your legal fees covered if you physically beat up your political opponents? Or joking and laughing about shooting desperate asylum-seekers at your border? About separating young children from their parents to teach them a lesson? At enjoying having a known criminal in power who is meting out payback to those who were giving you a hard time and mocking you? And enjoying and laughing at “trolling the liberals” when anyone gets upset at this level of deplorable behavior and rhetoric?
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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Believe it or not... Not everything is about Trump and the world does not revolve around Progressive's feelings.



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    So any feelings about ripping crying young children from their moms to teach them a lesson about seeking asylum, or jokes about shooting desperate asylum seekers should be dismissed, correct?

    Only psychopathic peals of laughter at watching outraged libs get outraged are allowed, right?

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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Someone who doesn't know the franchise would say that.

    Joker is, and almost always has been, an argument about nature vs nurture.

    Are criminals born, or made?
    A good story is one which always allows for fresh new interpretations. This new joker movie maybe just such a thing.

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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    TDS really is a mental condition.
    Imagine those that think of Trump before sleep and again upon waking....and all the hours in between....that’s a TDS lifestyle
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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    So any feelings about ripping crying young children from their moms to teach them a lesson about seeking asylum, or jokes about shooting desperate asylum seekers should be dismissed, correct?

    Only psychopathic peals of laughter at watching outraged libs get outraged are allowed, right?
    What does any of that have to do with the movie?

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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    What does any of that have to do with the movie?

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    Let's see: a movie about a psychopath who feels left behind by the world, is sick of "the elite" making fun of him, and gets into a position of power to enjoy threatening violence and hurting others... hmmm, wonder what the parallels are?

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    Re: The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trump View Post
    Imagine those that think of Trump before sleep and again upon waking....and all the hours in between....that’s a TDS lifestyle
    Those who spent 6 years obsessing about Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate and the pedophilia ring being operated by Hillary out of a pizza joint in DC are scarcely in a position to talk...

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