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The new Joker movie: political allegory for Trump?

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The new movie from the Batman franchise, “Joker”, has broken box office records, even as it has made many movie goers anxious over its often shocking depiction of psychopathic and gratuitous violence.

There are many who are explaining the success of the movie because they see it as capturing the mood of our time: an allegory for the Trump era.

”It stars Joaquin Phoenix as Joker, a troubled man who turns into a killer. The murderous clown's indiscriminate violence has put critics and authorities on edge...

"Warner Bros. believes that one of the functions of storytelling is to provoke difficult conversations around complex issues," a statement from the studio said last month. "It is not the intention of the film, the filmmakers or the studio to hold this character up as a hero."
'Joker' shatters box office records despite its controversial depiction of violence - CNN
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What “difficult conversations” was intended by the movie makers?

The plot is about a struggling and unsuccessful party clown who lives with his mother. In a difficult time when he has just been fired from a gig, he is mocked by three businessmen. In frustration, he kills them. This leads to riots on the street against “the elite”.

It is about the frustrations of being left behind, marginalized, and mocked? Obama once mocked them for being left behind and “clinging to their guns and Bibles”. Obviously, a big mistake.

So is this a story about Donald Trump and his supporters and their payback? The reassurances of having your legal fees covered if you physically beat up your political opponents? Or joking and laughing about shooting desperate asylum-seekers at your border? About separating young children from their parents to teach them a lesson? At enjoying having a known criminal in power who is meting out payback to those who were giving you a hard time and mocking you? And enjoying and laughing at “trolling the liberals” when anyone gets upset at this level of deplorable behavior and rhetoric?
 
Believe it or not... Not everything is about Trump and the world does not revolve around Progressive's feelings.



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Someone who doesn't know the franchise would say that.

Joker is, and almost always has been, an argument about nature vs nurture.

Are criminals born, or made?
 
ataraxia said:
The new movie from the Batman franchise, “Joker”, has broken box office records, even as it has made many movie goers anxious over its often shocking depiction of psychopathic and gratuitous violence.

There are many who are explaining the success of the movie because they see it as capturing the mood of our time: an allegory for the Trump era.



What “difficult conversations” was intended by the movie makers?

The plot is about a struggling and unsuccessful party clown who lives with his mother. In a difficult time when he has just been fired from a gig, he is mocked by three businessmen. In frustration, he kills them. This leads to riots on the street against “the elite”.

It is about the frustrations of being left behind, marginalized, and mocked? Obama once mocked them for being left behind and “clinging to their guns and Bibles”. Obviously, a big mistake.

So is this a story about Donald Trump and his supporters and their payback? The reassurances of having your legal fees covered if you physically beat up your political opponents? Or joking and laughing about shooting desperate asylum-seekers at your border? About separating young children from their parents to teach them a lesson? At enjoying having a known criminal in power who is meting out payback to those who were giving you a hard time and mocking you? And enjoying and laughing at “trolling the liberals” when anyone gets upset at this level of deplorable behavior and rhetoric?
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TDS really is a mental condition.
 
trouble13 said:
Believe it or not... Not everything is about Trump and the world does not revolve around Progressive's feelings.



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So any feelings about ripping crying young children from their moms to teach them a lesson about seeking asylum, or jokes about shooting desperate asylum seekers should be dismissed, correct?

Only psychopathic peals of laughter at watching outraged libs get outraged are allowed, right?
 
KevinKohler said:
Someone who doesn't know the franchise would say that.

Joker is, and almost always has been, an argument about nature vs nurture.

Are criminals born, or made?
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A good story is one which always allows for fresh new interpretations. This new joker movie maybe just such a thing.
 
apdst said:
TDS really is a mental condition.
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Imagine those that think of Trump before sleep and again upon waking....and all the hours in between....that’s a TDS lifestyle
 
ataraxia said:
So any feelings about ripping crying young children from their moms to teach them a lesson about seeking asylum, or jokes about shooting desperate asylum seekers should be dismissed, correct?

Only psychopathic peals of laughter at watching outraged libs get outraged are allowed, right?
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What does any of that have to do with the movie?

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trouble13 said:
What does any of that have to do with the movie?

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Let's see: a movie about a psychopath who feels left behind by the world, is sick of "the elite" making fun of him, and gets into a position of power to enjoy threatening violence and hurting others... hmmm, wonder what the parallels are?
 
Trump said:
Imagine those that think of Trump before sleep and again upon waking....and all the hours in between....that’s a TDS lifestyle
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Those who spent 6 years obsessing about Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate and the pedophilia ring being operated by Hillary out of a pizza joint in DC are scarcely in a position to talk...
 
ataraxia said:
Let's see: a movie about a psychopath who feels left behind by the world, is sick of "the elite" making fun of him, and gets into a position of power to enjoy threatening violence and hurting others... hmmm, wonder what the parallels are?
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Im not seeing any

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KevinKohler said:
Someone who doesn't know the franchise would say that.

Joker is, and almost always has been, an argument about nature vs nurture.

Are criminals born, or made?
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I'd argue in the Joker's case he was made. I think the OP's premise is garbage; however, it's a stiff to PC culture, which is rampant nowadays.

The issue here is that PC culture never allows for redemption. You're never allowed to move past a transgression, no matter how far in the distant past.
 
Clearly, others have seen this parallel as well:

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trouble13 said:
Im not seeing any

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That's not saying much. Heck, you guys don't even see the unanimous consensus of every single science organization on the planet on the dangers of climate change. But you were seeing Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate for 6 years straight. You see only what your cult leader orders you to see.
 
KevinKohler said:
Someone who doesn't know the franchise would say that.

Joker is, and almost always has been, an argument about nature vs nurture.

Are criminals born, or made?
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Obscurity said:
I'd argue in the Joker's case he was made. I think the OP's premise is garbage; however, it's a stiff to PC culture, which is rampant nowadays.

The issue here is that PC culture never allows for redemption. You're never allowed to move past a transgression, no matter how far in the distant past.
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What are you talking about? The laughter at threats to shoot desperate asylum seekers at our borders was just in yesterday's headlines...
 
ataraxia said:
What are you talking about? The laughter at threats to shoot desperate asylum seekers at our borders was just in yesterday's headlines...
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Because dude it's a goddamned movie.

Moreover, PC culture has done that. Look at people apologizing for stuff from decades ago.
 
Obscurity said:
Because dude it's a goddamned movie.
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Sure. All allegories are movies or stories. That's what allegories are. And sometimes they offer interesting insight and food for thought, as any good literature or movie does.

Moreover, PC culture has done that. Look at people apologizing for stuff from decades ago.
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Done what? Made it OK to laugh at the suggestion of shooting desperate asylum seekers?

Better to have a culture of courtesy, respect, and being ready to apologize, than one of unapologetically proud boorish and psychopathic behavior.
 
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Obscurity said:
Because dude it's a goddamned movie.

Moreover, PC culture has done that. Look at people apologizing for stuff from decades ago.
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Basic manners, courtesy, and respect are very important in any functional society- whether in a family, neighborhood, workplace,... or nation.

Good video of the history of manners and how and why they have evolved in modern civil societies:

 
Has anyone here seen the movie and drawing their own conclusions or simply repeating what have told them to think about the movie.
 
ataraxia said:
That's not saying much. Heck, you guys don't even see the unanimous consensus of every single science organization on the planet on the dangers of climate change. But you were seeing Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate for 6 years straight. You see only what your cult leader orders you to see.
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Im not a birther and never was one. I had no issue with those that wanted to see his birth certificate but the idea of that detail not being vetted ahead of time seemed unlikely to me. Once Obama produced his certificate i think the mayter should of been dropped.

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Trump said:
Imagine those that think of Trump before sleep and again upon waking....and all the hours in between....that’s a TDS lifestyle
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There's going to be a sharp spike in suicides, if Trump is re-elected.
 
ataraxia said:
A good story is one which always allows for fresh new interpretations. This new joker movie maybe just such a thing.
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Its a redux of "the killing joke".
 
ataraxia said:
The new movie from the Batman franchise, “Joker”, has broken box office records, even as it has made many movie goers anxious over its often shocking depiction of psychopathic and gratuitous violence.


There are many who are explaining the success of the movie because they see it as capturing the mood of our time: an allegory for the Trump era.






What “difficult conversations” was intended by the movie makers?


The plot is about a struggling and unsuccessful party clown who lives with his mother. In a difficult time when he has just been fired from a gig, he is mocked by three businessmen. In frustration, he kills them. This leads to riots on the street against “the elite”.


It is about the frustrations of being left behind, marginalized, and mocked? Obama once mocked them for being left behind and “clinging to their guns and Bibles”. Obviously, a big mistake.


So is this a story about Donald Trump and his supporters and their payback? The reassurances of having your legal fees covered if you physically beat up your political opponents? Or joking and laughing about shooting desperate asylum-seekers at your border? About separating young children from their parents to teach them a lesson? At enjoying having a known criminal in power who is meting out payback to those who were giving you a hard time and mocking you? And enjoying and laughing at “trolling the liberals” when anyone gets upset at this level of deplorable behavior and rhetoric?
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