White House struggles to contain Ukraine fallout

apdst said:

The investigation of the Trump campaign by the FBI.

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1) The FBI is not a foreign government
2) There is zero evidence Obama had anything to do with the investigation initiated by the FBI

apdst said:

Obama did it. You didn't have a problem, then.

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Something else about that these selective memory moralists are conveniently forgetting.
When all the bias anti-trump texts came out, they told us there was no conflict of interest involved. We were told those people could seperate their oersonal bias from their professional responsibilities.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot we are suppose to throw that logic out the window? Why shouldnt we also believe Trump is also capable of setting his personsl bias aside and follow his professional responsibility to pursue government corruption.

Last but not least i have noticed the word smiths who are trying to frame the issues to their liking having been leaving an important word out of their statements. Joe Biden is not the oppositions candidate until he wins the primary. He is only a POTENTIAL rival.

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trouble13 said:

Yes, what about....
Is it wrong for the democrats to use the authority of thier office to dig up dirt on their political rivals?

You claim yo be very upset with Trump for using the authority of his office to dig up dirt on a potential political rival. Im asking you if you also condemn congressional democrats for doing it.

Instead of answering the question you went back to your Trump tirade. We have already established your opinion about what Trump did. Trump is a bad bad man who must be stopped seems to be the gist of your position but does that mean at all costs?

Is it OK with you the way the Democrats are abusing their suthority in order to usurp his presidency. On the surface thats exactly how it looks to me but im open to hearing an alternate explination if you have one.

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Congress has a Constitutional right and obligation to be the only branch of government to be a check on the powers of the Executive branch of government. They are doing what they put their hands on a Bible and swore to uphold. They aren't abusing a single thing. Trump is the one abusing his office by not protecting this country against threats both foreign and domestic. Trump has no allegiance to uphold the laws of this country, he has no sense of patriotic duty. He thumbs his nose at any law.

"I will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

He has failed to do his duty.

apdst said:

The investigation of the Trump campaign by the FBI.

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The counter-terrorism investigation began because the CIA had red alert lights going off all over the place. The CIA knew very well that people running Trump's campaign were closely affiliated with Russian agents. If the CIA didn't begin an investigation, they would be in violation of the oaths they took to protect our country.

Airyaman said:

1) The FBI is not a foreign government
2) There is zero evidence Obama had anything to do with the investigation initiated by the FBI

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1) are you really claiming that the obama administration did not solicit help from foreghin governments when they were investigating Trump? Lol
2) how do you know if there is evidence or not before its been investigated. Is that not the point of sn investigation?

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HumblePi said:

Congress has a Constitutional right and obligation to be the only branch of government to be a check on the powers of the Executive branch of government. They are doing what they put their hands on a Bible and swore to uphold. They aren't abusing a single thing. Trump is the one abusing his office by not protecting this country against threats both foreign and domestic. Trump has no allegiance to uphold the laws of this country, he has no sense of patriotic duty. He thumbs his nose at any law.

"I will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

He has failed to do his duty.

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Why do they want to see his taxes? If they are not looking for dirt than what are they looking for?

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HumblePi said:

The counter-terrorism investigation began because the CIA had red alert lights going off all over the place. The CIA knew very well that people running Trump's campaign were closely affiliated with Russian agents. If the CIA didn't begin an investigation, they would be in violation of the oaths they took to protect our country.

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Yet you dont apply that same logic to Trump looing into Bidens activities. Its very curious how your standard works

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trouble13 said:

1) are you really claiming that the obama administration did not solicit help from foreghin governments when they were investigating Trump? Lol
2) how do you know if there is evidence or not before its been investigated. Is that not the point of sn investigation?

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If you think Obama personally instigated or oversaw an investigation, nobody's stopping you from posting the source that gave you that idea.

The lowly liberal/Demo must find something else to do instead of wasting time with this frivolous impeachment shenanigan. Our President Trump should continue expediting about the illegal activities of the Biden boyz.

Cardinal said:

If you think Obama personally instigated or oversaw an investigation, nobody's stopping you from posting the source that gave you that idea.

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I dont rule out the possibility. We have texts thst certainly give the impression that he was involved and considering the sensitivity of the matter its not unreasonable to believe he had some level of involvement. The only way to find out how much or how little would be for a full investigation to take place and executive privilege waved. If i could order that to happen, i would, but as of right now, its sbove my pay grade

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trouble13 said:

I dont rule out the possibility. We have texts thst certainly give the impression that he was involved and considering the sensitivity of the matter its not unreasonable to believe he had some level of involvement. The only way to find out how much or how little would be for a full investigation to take place and executive privilege waved. If i could order that to happen, i would, but as of right now, its sbove my pay grade

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I didn't ask for more speculation. If you have an actual reason for thinking that Obama ever instigated or oversaw an investigation, present it to us.

FEC chair subtweets Trump after plea for China to investigate Bidens

The head of the Federal Election Commission subtweeted President Donald Trump on Thursday after the president called on China to investigate his potential 2020 rival Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
In a post on Twitter, chair Ellen Weintraub resurfaced a June memorandum stating that it is illegal for anyone running for public office to solicit help from a foreign national.

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Trumpers are losing this one...


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trouble13 said:

1) are you really claiming that the obama administration did not solicit help from foreghin governments when they were investigating Trump? Lol

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The FBI? Probably. Obama himself? I've seen no evidence.

2) how do you know if there is evidence or not before its been investigated. Is that not the point of sn investigation?

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2) The is zero available evidence Obama had anything to do with the investigation initiated by the FBI.

Better?

HumblePi said:

The counter-terrorism investigation began because the CIA had red alert lights going off all over the place. The CIA knew very well that people running Trump's campaign were closely affiliated with Russian agents. If the CIA didn't begin an investigation, they would be in violation of the oaths they took to protect our country.

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Oh, it's a "counter-terrorism" investigation, now? Y'all were calling it a counter-intelligence investigation. :lamo

If the CIA didn't begin an investigation, they would be in violation of the oaths they took to protect our country.

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President Trump took the same oath. He wouldn't be doing his job if he ignored a crime.

trouble13 said:

Something else about that these selective memory moralists are conveniently forgetting.
When all the bias anti-trump texts came out, they told us there was no conflict of interest involved. We were told those people could seperate their oersonal bias from their professional responsibilities.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot we are suppose to throw that logic out the window? Why shouldnt we also believe Trump is also capable of setting his personsl bias aside and follow his professional responsibility to pursue government corruption.

Last but not least i have noticed the word smiths who are trying to frame the issues to their liking having been leaving an important word out of their statements. Joe Biden is not the oppositions candidate until he wins the primary. He is only a POTENTIAL rival.

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It's only illegal because "Truuuuump!".

apdst said:

It's only illegal because "Truuuuump!".

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apparently, it's illegal because it's against the Constitution, according to the FEC chairman.

Winston said:

apparently, it's illegal because it's against the Constitution, according to the FEC chairman.

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Show us the part of The Constitution it violates.

Lutherf said:

Don't you think Trump WANTS the impeachment vote? Odds are that by now he sees impeachment as his only possible opportunity to tell his side of the story.

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But that's the problem. His side of the story is absurd. He's digging a hole for himself.

How is Trump going to justify his claim that the prosecutor was a good guy unfairly fired given FACTS like the below?

In July 2015, Shokin's office became mired in scandal after authorities raided homes belonging to two high-ranking prosecutors. Police seized millions of dollars worth of diamonds and cash, suggesting the pair had been taking bribes.

It became known as the "diamond prosecutors" case. Deputy General Prosecutor Vitaliy Kasko, who said he tried to investigate it, resigned months later, calling the prosecutor's office a "hotbed of corruption" and an "instrument of political pressure."

Shokin's office also stepped in to help Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma.

British authorities had frozen $23 million in a money-laundering probe, but Shokin's office failed to send documents British authorities needed to prosecute Zlochevsky. The case eventually unraveled and the assets were unfrozen.

In October 2015, Ukrainians staged a protest outside Poroshenko's home calling for Shokin's removal.

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What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

The prosecutor was extremely crooked and he protected Burisma.

trouble13 said:

Why do they want to see his taxes? If they are not looking for dirt than what are they looking for?

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'Dirt' and evidence of a felony are two entirely different things.

Long before Donald Trump became or ran for president, it was widely reported in conservative and liberal media that he was laundering money for the Russian mob. Quite a few of his tenants at Trump tower are Russian mob. His dealings in Bacu involved Russian money laundered through the Iranian national guard. The Hotel was completed in 2015, began in 2008, and if it can be shown he was aware of this he is a traitor and he violated The Foreign Practices Corruption Act requiring jail.

He filed bankruptcy 6 times. The last time was with the real estate depression around 2008. That particular time he was personally bankrupt as well. Having defaulted on every single loan western banks gave him no one would loan him money. If he had not gotten money he would not have bounced back. He reportedly got money from Russia through oligarchs approved by Putin. His son so much as admitted that in 2017.

2. “Emoluments Clause”. He is supposed to be acting on behalf of this country. He strikes deals to benefit the Trump family which are not in the best interest of the American People. His tax returns can shed light on this proving whose interest he cares about when making deals.

3. Trump is rich only because of his father's money. The tax returns are needed to prove that because the only reason many voted for him was because they believed he was a successful businessman. He has lied about the extent of his wealth and the people that voted for him need to see with their own eyes that he is a shady businessman with ties to gangsters.

4. Trump is a tax cheat on a scale that dwarfs Spiro Agnew’s crimes of income tax evasion. Perhaps his voters don’t care because they are content with him if he makes progressives unhappy but I don't think they'll be able to stomach how they pay taxes and he cheat the IRS from billions. Several months before the NY Times uncovered a fraudulent scheme how he ripped off the federal government of $500 million in estate taxes by setting up phony companies that self deal all in order to pass all of Fred Trump’s estate to him and his siblings estate tax free.

There was a reason that he's the first US President to refuse to show his tax returns. The people that voted for him need to see them. It’s always about follow the money. Michael Cohen went to prison for a crime he committed under Trump's order which proves that he lied about secret payoffs to violate election laws. Trump's followers can't handle the truth and they reject the truth when it stares them in the face. More than that, people simply want to know what he’s hiding.

Americans have had a President in office likely to be highly susceptible to blackmail. It’s widely believed that he’s in the pockets of Vladimir Putin simply because the Russians could utterly ruin him if they so felt inclined - and that’s a connection that needs to be examined. If true, it would certainly explain a lot of his actions, but highlight the simple fact that the President of the United States is a major security risk to the United States

apdst said:

Show us the part of The Constitution it violates.

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Political campaigns are banned from soliciting help from foreign nationals, because the foreign nationals will act in their own interests and not the interests of the United States.

Who can and can't contribute

Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

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Lutherf said:

Don't you think Trump WANTS the impeachment vote? Odds are that by now he sees impeachment as his only possible opportunity to tell his side of the story. God only knows that nobody in the press will so much as recognize that there COULD be a side to all this that doesn't begin and end with Schiff.

This whole damned thing falls right in line with the Mueller investigation, Kavanaugh and Cohen. It's 24/7 "This is the one!" based on scant facts and wildly misconstrued interpretation of the law. This time, however, it looks like Democrats are going to pull the trigger. All I can say is God bless 'em.

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Looking at the tv I seem to see the president telling his side of the story almost every day and when he's not on tv he's tweeting his side of the story.

Like everything else the republicans want everything to be over in two weeks and when it isn't it's a hoax, b/s. Personally I think the president and a few of his advisers are in deep doo doo.

Winston said:

Political campaigns are banned from soliciting help from foreign nationals, because the foreign nationals will act in their own interests and not the interests of the United States.

Who can and can't contribute

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The law doesn't say that. It says "contributions". Sharing information isn't a contribution. It's literally protected by the 1st Amendment.

JacksinPA said:

White House struggles to contain Ukraine fallout | TheHill

The White House is struggling to contain the fallout from President Trump’s calls for foreign governments to look into matters related to the 2016 election and one of his chief political rivals.

Days after news reports of the initial story, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had thrown her support behind an impeachment inquiry.
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The combination of the reconstructed transcript of his phone call to the President of Ukraine together with his public calls for China to investigate the Bidens has just added fuel to the impeachment fire.

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His mom's next taught him that there are times when it best to just shut up. Narcissists lake this skill and are often their own worst enemy. In other words, let trump open his mouth and hang himself.

apdst said:

The law doesn't say that. It says "contributions". Sharing information isn't a contribution. It's literally protected by the 1st Amendment.

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52 U.S. Code SS 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

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JacksinPA said:

White House struggles to contain Ukraine fallout | TheHill

The White House is struggling to contain the fallout from President Trump’s calls for foreign governments to look into matters related to the 2016 election and one of his chief political rivals.

Days after news reports of the initial story, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had thrown her support behind an impeachment inquiry.
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The combination of the reconstructed transcript of his phone call to the President of Ukraine together with his public calls for China to investigate the Bidens has just added fuel to the impeachment fire.

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There is no struggle. Like with 90% of the rest of America the W.H. is Yawning . we all know it's just more desperate F*****y form Democrats who have nothing good to offer and know they cant win in 2020.