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What happens if the GOP decides to stand against Trump?

Fletch said:
No, that is not why Cohen is in jail
Thats irrelevant because you didnt have 218 members of the House who agreed. Their arguments werent persuasive enough to convince democrats so it doesnt really matter what they think.
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So now politicians are who determine who is breaking our laws? I'm pretty sure that is corrupt.
 
iguanaman said:
So now politicians are who determine who is breaking our laws? I'm pretty sure that is corrupt.
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Thats what you guys have been doing for 3 years.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
It has nothing to do with "sentiment". The evidence is overwhelming and Trump has already admitted on multiple occasions that he has abused his power. He is going down.
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That is your opinion, and nothing more. Every politician abuses power, yet still nothing is proven in this case. All we see is partisan sentiment.

Despite your claim, Trump has not admitted abusing his powers. He has stated he used his powers in a manner you and the choir disapprove. Opinions are a dime a dozen.

All that matters ultimately is the if the Senate chooses to prosecute, and then remove him from office if sentiment of the left is correct. As foreign as the idea may be to you, impeachment does not automatically culminate in removal from office. Like any adjudication beyond traffic, landlord tenant and small claims courts, in this nation, the Senate is obligated to separate adjudication from sentencing.
 
OldFatGuy said:
That is your opinion, and nothing more. Every politician abuses power, yet still nothing is proven in this case. All we see is partisan sentiment.

Despite your claim, Trump has not admitted abusing his powers. He has stated he used his powers in a manner you and the choir disapprove. Opinions are a dime a dozen.

All that matters ultimately is the if the Senate chooses to prosecute, and then remove him from office if sentiment of the left is correct. As foreign as the idea may be to you, impeachment does not automatically culminate in removal from office. Like any adjudication beyond traffic, landlord tenant and small claims courts, in this nation, the Senate is obligated to separate adjudication from sentencing.
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Nope. Bush tried to pressure a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent, and withheld military funding as a form of pressure. Trump put his own political self-interest ahead of U.S. national security. That is High Crimes and Misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution, my friend.

You can argue that Trump will not be removed from by the Senate. However, there is no disputing that Trump violated the Constitution. And it's even more foolish to state that there is "no evidence". There is more than enough evidence already.
 
As we progress down the impeachment road I think it's going to be more and more difficult for republicans to stand with trump. As it is right now the attorney general needs a lawyer, the secretary of state needs a lawyer, the vice president needs a lawyer and rudy, the president's personal attorney needs a ton of lawyers.

What's not to like about this administration if you are a republican?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Funny but if Trump is suddenly going on a crusade against corruption within the US Govt. you'd think he would pick individuals who actually hold Govt. positions. Why only pick people who do not like the Bidens?
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That is another Democratic Party - and your - stance by your messages. As long as a politician isn't caught and prosecuted while still in public office, they can commit any crimes and steal as much money as they can get away with. Once they leave office, they are automatically granted a full pardon for any prior crimes as a matter of law.

There is NOTHING illegal about Trump asking ANYONE to investigate anyone, including opponents - just like it would not be illegal for anyone else including the MSM/press to ask for ANYONE to be investigated - asking ANYONE to do so. There is nothing illegal or unethical in doing so. In fact, the MSM/press totally relies upon enemies to get facts and dirt on people - exactly as they do to Trump going to Trump's political enemies - including in foreign countries and with foreign governments to do so.

If a news or media outlet asks someone in a foreign government about Trump, do you claim they committed the crime of trying to illegally influence our election? I bet don't since that's what they do.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Republicans won't split. The party that combined right-libertarians , religious fundamentalists and fiscal conservatives under common support for a candidate that ALL of them should hate isn't going to collapse any time soon.
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Incessant, desperate, furious and sobbing "Hate mongering" is a Democratic thing. Without hate, the Democratic Party's got nothing.

Who does the Democratic Party openly insult and hate continuously?
Old people
Christians
Israeli Jews
Farmers and ranchers
Anyone without a college degree
Blue collar workers - IF they are American
Small business owners
People who live in small towns and cities
Hunters.
Gun owners.
People who defend themselves from violent assault
The police.
The military and military personnel
The past of the United States
The United States in the present
Non white people who do not beg rich white Democrats for help
as a partial list - about 85% of Americans and voters.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Nope. Bush tried to pressure a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent, and withheld military funding as a form of pressure. Trump put his own political self-interest ahead of U.S. national security. That is High Crimes and Misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution, my friend.

You can argue that Trump will not be removed from by the Senate. However, there is no disputing that Trump violated the Constitution. And it's even more foolish to state that there is "no evidence". There is more than enough evidence already.
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The President has not violated the Constitution, nor is violating the Constitution grounds for impeachment anyway. The Supreme Court has essentially ruled that every president has violated the Constitution time and again - definitely including Obama. Any time the federal courts rule against the White House on anything, they have ruled the White House/president violated the Constitution.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Nope. Bush tried to pressure a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent, and withheld military funding as a form of pressure. Trump put his own political self-interest ahead of U.S. national security. That is High Crimes and Misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution, my friend.

You can argue that Trump will not be removed from by the Senate. However, there is no disputing that Trump violated the Constitution. And it's even more foolish to state that there is "no evidence". There is more than enough evidence already.
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In your not so humble opinion.

All we have are interpretations of data claimed by the left to be violations of law. Again, the process will make that determination.

My 5 year old twin grandsons are trying to convince me Dog raided the cookie jar. They keep saying I can't prove Dog didn't eat the cookies. Of course, Dog doesn't know how to open the cookie jar, but that hasn't deterred their argument. I'm demanding an investigation, appointing a special prosecutor, grandma. She doesn't hold with lies, and the punishment will be harsh. No dessert after dinner for the two felons.
 
Superfly said:
We had 225, as of two days ago.
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JMO, but once testimony and evidence of those involved with 45 is made public I think that it will be obvious that POTUS should be impeached and that at least 50% of GOP members will vote to send it to the Senate. There will enough senators on the right to impeach.
 
joko104 said:
The President has not violated the Constitution, nor is violating the Constitution grounds for impeachment anyway. The Supreme Court has essentially ruled that every president has violated the Constitution time and again - definitely including Obama. Any time the federal courts rule against the White House on anything, they have ruled the White House/president violated the Constitution.
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nor is violating the Constitution grounds for impeachment anyway
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LOL...whatever. Got it, dude. Keep telling yourself that.

You Trump cultists are terrified...and you should be.
 
OldFatGuy said:
In your not so humble opinion.

All we have are interpretations of data claimed by the left to be violations of law. Again, the process will make that determination.

My 5 year old twin grandsons are trying to convince me Dog raided the cookie jar. They keep saying I can't prove Dog didn't eat the cookies. Of course, Dog doesn't know how to open the cookie jar, but that hasn't deterred their argument. I'm demanding an investigation, appointing a special prosecutor, grandma. She doesn't hold with lies, and the punishment will be harsh. No dessert after dinner for the two felons.
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Yes, the process will make that determination. And it's going to be a rude awakening for you when you see a bunch of Republicans also support Trump's impeachment and removal from office.
 
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joko104 said:
Incessant, desperate, furious and sobbing "Hate mongering" is a Democratic thing. Without hate, the Democratic Party's got nothing.

Who does the Democratic Party openly insult and hate continuously?
Old people
Christians
Israeli Jews
Farmers and ranchers
Anyone without a college degree
Blue collar workers - IF they are American
Small business owners
People who live in small towns and cities
Hunters.
Gun owners.
People who defend themselves from violent assault
The police.
The military and military personnel
The past of the United States
The United States in the present
Non white people who do not beg rich white Democrats for help
as a partial list - about 85% of Americans and voters.
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A perfect example of why the Republicans will never split; in the nightmare alternate reality they live in, they've made a solid 3rd of the nation out to be an existential threat to the world order, so they stand together against all rhyme and reason, no matter how dishonorable their collective's figurehead gets.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Yes, the process will make that determination. And it's going to be a rude awakening for you when you see a bunch of Republicans also support Trump's impeachment and removal from office.
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Neither an awakening nor rude. I respect the process.

However, should you prove mistaken, how will you deal with the disappointment? Worse, should the decisions not result for impeachment, Trump will emerge with greater strength.
 
Superfly said:
Obviously, Trump’s 35% have, thus far, stood beside him, and part of that percentage includes the Republican House and Senate.

There are murmurs amongst the ranks that what he is doing is wrong, troubling, etc.

If the GOP decides to stand against him, and throw all their eggs in the Pence basket, how will Trump react?

Will he resign? Or will he hold on for dear life, and go down with his sinking ship, denying wrongdoing and placing blame all the way?

For his 35% that post here, this post isn’t really for you. This is for serious discussion - not, “What wrong-doing?”
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Trump represent people like himself, if Trump is not president then they have no need for him and will discard him. A few of the diehards will hold on to him or the memory of him (much like the occupiers held on for a little while, after it was over. The diehards remained but the ones not directly involved left like a Rajneesh without a godman).
 
joko104 said:
That is another Democratic Party - and your - stance by your messages. As long as a politician isn't caught and prosecuted while still in public office, they can commit any crimes and steal as much money as they can get away with. Once they leave office, they are automatically granted a full pardon for any prior crimes as a matter of law.

There is NOTHING illegal about Trump asking ANYONE to investigate anyone, including opponents - just like it would not be illegal for anyone else including the MSM/press to ask for ANYONE to be investigated - asking ANYONE to do so. There is nothing illegal or unethical in doing so. In fact, the MSM/press totally relies upon enemies to get facts and dirt on people - exactly as they do to Trump going to Trump's political enemies - including in foreign countries and with foreign governments to do so.

If a news or media outlet asks someone in a foreign government about Trump, do you claim they committed the crime of trying to illegally influence our election? I bet don't since that's what they do.
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I asked why Trump only picked someone who is out of office. Is it your opinion that Govt. corruption is best fought by not investigating anyone who currently holds office?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Neither an awakening nor rude. I respect the process.

However, should you prove mistaken, how will you deal with the disappointment? Worse, should the decisions not result for impeachment, Trump will emerge with greater strength.
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It now appears you will need to change your excuses for Trump again, Tucker Carlson has decided that what Trump did with Ukraine and China was wrong and should be called out for it. But not to worry he also doesn't think it is an impeachable offense....:lamo

Tucker Carlson on Trump's Ukraine call: 'There's no way to spin this' - CNN
 
OldFatGuy said:
Neither an awakening nor rude. I respect the process.

However, should you prove mistaken, how will you deal with the disappointment? Worse, should the decisions not result for impeachment, Trump will emerge with greater strength.
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Yes, I will be disappointed. However, not for the reasons you think. I will be disappointed that the Republican Party, despite overwhelming evidence, is no longer capable of upholding the Constitution and the rule of law in this country. I will be disappointed that the Republican Party decides to abdicate all of their constitutional authority in the legislative branch to Trump. I will be disappointed that the Republican Party is too weak and cowardly to stand up to Trump and say "enough".

The impeachment trial will be a day of reckoning for the Republican Party. Either they do the right thing or they cease to exist forever and they permanently become the Trump Party. This is their last chance.
 
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iguanaman said:
It now appears you will need to change your excuses for Trump again, Tucker Carlson has decided that what Trump did with Ukraine and China was wrong and should be called out for it. But not to worry he also doesn't think it is an impeachable offense....:lamo

Tucker Carlson on Trump's Ukraine call: 'There's no way to spin this' - CNN
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So the "Clinton pivot".

Somebody posted this exact tactic was how Clinton dealt with his impeachment. He was chastised. He apologized, and then the dems focused on his actions not rising to the level of impeachable.

However, it's not in trump to admit a mistake or apologize. So it might not work.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Calamity, I find you to be a traitor. BTW I am not a republican.
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I didn't say you were. But, you sure do seem to relish in the personal attack, I see.
 
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