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Trump’s Middle-Class Economic Progress - WSJ

President Trump’s critics can’t deny that the economy is doing well, so instead they insist all the benefits have gone to the rich and large corporations. “America’s middle class is under attack,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren asserted in her presidential campaign announcement last December.

The latest data from the Census Bureau monthly surveys tell a different story. Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000. . . .

Sentier’s income data dates to 2000 and tells the story of the past two decades. The recession of 2008-09 crushed middle-class incomes so dramatically that the median income when Mr. Obama left office was no higher than it was when George W. Bush arrived. That was the middle-class and blue-collar squeeze Donald Trump tapped into.

Mr. Obama inherited a financial mess, but the median income continued its decline during almost all of his first term and rose only slowly in his second term—the weakest recovery from a recession since the 1930s. “We never saw a recovery where incomes took such a long time to recover the lost ground,” says Sentier founder Gordon Green.

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Yes. I'd like to see the tortured logic and numbers manipulation the Trump haters come up with to explain this.
 
Stephen Moore. The non-economist misogynist Trump ass kisser whose nomination to the Federal Reserve Board had to be withdrawn when even the Republicans objected to him.

Why don't you just post an opinion piece from Sean Hannity?
 
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No charts yet for 2019, but everything looks as though it started coming up int he second Obama term and it has just continued to go up at around the same pace, maybe slightly less. The article makes the mistake of counting right from the minute the recession was declared over for Obama. It's a bull**** comparison.
 
Yes. I'd like to see the tortured logic and numbers manipulation the Trump haters come up with to explain this.

That's too easy - it was simply the delayed (or continued) result of the wondrous and nearly perfect Obama economic policies (from 2009/2010?). Some may one up that assertion and say "but for the Trump tariffs and tax cuts for the rich, it could have been even better".
 
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Trump’s Middle-Class Economic Progress - WSJ

President Trump’s critics can’t deny that the economy is doing well, so instead they insist all the benefits have gone to the rich and large corporations. “America’s middle class is under attack,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren asserted in her presidential campaign announcement last December.

The latest data from the Census Bureau monthly surveys tell a different story. Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000. . . .

Sentier’s income data dates to 2000 and tells the story of the past two decades. The recession of 2008-09 crushed middle-class incomes so dramatically that the median income when Mr. Obama left office was no higher than it was when George W. Bush arrived. That was the middle-class and blue-collar squeeze Donald Trump tapped into.

Mr. Obama inherited a financial mess, but the median income continued its decline during almost all of his first term and rose only slowly in his second term—the weakest recovery from a recession since the 1930s. “We never saw a recovery where incomes took such a long time to recover the lost ground,” says Sentier founder Gordon Green.

Comments?

My comment is:

LOL.

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Yes. I'd like to see the tortured logic and numbers manipulation the Trump haters come up with to explain this.

Cling on to whatever you can to get you through the night.
 
Trump’s Middle-Class Economic Progress - WSJ

President Trump’s critics can’t deny that the economy is doing well, so instead they insist all the benefits have gone to the rich and large corporations. “America’s middle class is under attack,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren asserted in her presidential campaign announcement last December.

The latest data from the Census Bureau monthly surveys tell a different story. Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000. . . .

Sentier’s income data dates to 2000 and tells the story of the past two decades. The recession of 2008-09 crushed middle-class incomes so dramatically that the median income when Mr. Obama left office was no higher than it was when George W. Bush arrived. That was the middle-class and blue-collar squeeze Donald Trump tapped into.

Mr. Obama inherited a financial mess, but the median income continued its decline during almost all of his first term and rose only slowly in his second term—the weakest recovery from a recession since the 1930s. “We never saw a recovery where incomes took such a long time to recover the lost ground,” says Sentier founder Gordon Green.

Comments?

Comment? It's bullcrap. Trump inherited a very robust recovery from a disastrous Republican economic fiasco and his only accomplishment is that he hasn't actually torpedoed it. Yet.
 
Trump’s Middle-Class Economic Progress - WSJ

President Trump’s critics can’t deny that the economy is doing well, so instead they insist all the benefits have gone to the rich and large corporations. “America’s middle class is under attack,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren asserted in her presidential campaign announcement last December.

The latest data from the Census Bureau monthly surveys tell a different story. Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000. . . .

Sentier’s income data dates to 2000 and tells the story of the past two decades. The recession of 2008-09 crushed middle-class incomes so dramatically that the median income when Mr. Obama left office was no higher than it was when George W. Bush arrived. That was the middle-class and blue-collar squeeze Donald Trump tapped into.

Mr. Obama inherited a financial mess, but the median income continued its decline during almost all of his first term and rose only slowly in his second term—the weakest recovery from a recession since the 1930s. “We never saw a recovery where incomes took such a long time to recover the lost ground,” says Sentier founder Gordon Green.

Comments?

It is under attack by the democrats for certain.
 
That's too easy - it was simply the delayed (or continued) result of the wondrous and nearly perfect Obama economic policies (from 2009/2010?). Some may one up that assertion and say "but for the Trump tariffs and tax cuts for the rich, it could have been even better".

So are you denying the trend that has been going up since Obama's second term? I'm not saying it was due to Obama but it sure in the hell isn't due to Trump either.
 
Stephen Moore. The non-economist misogynist Trump ass kisser whose nomination to the Federal Reserve Board had to be withdrawn when even the Republicans objected to him.

Why don't you just post an opinion piece from Sean Hannity?

Thanks for checking and letting us know. It's exactly the kind of 'analysis' we would expect from Stephen Moore, which is to say not worth reading.
 
Median income has to be taken with a grain of salt, especially with countries like the US. The 1% pull up the median income massively and that is where most of the growth has been.

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Median income has to be taken with a grain of salt, especially with countries like the US. The 1% pull up the median income massively and that is where most of the growth has been.

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You're thinking mean, not median. If you list each person and their income from lowest to highest, the "median" income is whatever appears half way on that list. Median is the preferred variable IMO.

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Mean is often used dishonestly, generally obscured with the vague term "average." The best example is: Bill Gates walks into a bar, and the average (mean) wealth of bar patrons explodes to over $1 billion each!
 
As others pointed out, more meaningful numbers (not the misleading mean) don't show much of a change in direction.

Even more importantly, Presidents do NOT control the economy that much.

Things that do control the economy, IN ORDER, are :


1. Business Cycle
2. Inventory and Investment Cycles
3. Demographics (working populaton age)
4. Monetary Policy (Fed)
5. Fiscal Policy (mostly controlled by Congress and partially by President)


And when they DO have some effect it is unfolding over YEARS AFTER they actually implement their policies.

There are more than enough sources discussing this - here are the first few that pop up on Google:

Right wing

Left Wing

All kinds of wings:

Does the President Run the Economy? – Mackinac Center

Economic Perspective: Economic Power of the President | College of Agriculture and Life Sciences | NC State University

Presidents are responsible for the economys performance

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-presidents-economic-decisions-matter-eventually/
 
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Thanks for checking and letting us know. It's exactly the kind of 'analysis' we would expect from Stephen Moore, which is to say not worth reading.

I know Trump Fan Nation thinks as they are ordered to think, but posting something from Moore is just beyond the pale. Even for them.
 
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