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Don't Be Surprised If Trump Is Actually Removed From Office As A Result of Impeachment

btthegreat said:
As long a the republican base supports Trump, so will the majority of Republicans. I doubt you will have more than 2-3 GOP Senators vote in favor of impeachment, if that. I still support impeachment hearings.
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Don't underestimate the power of history. Don't underestimate the power of self-preservation. Republicans in Congress saw what happened during the 2018 elections. They better take back the party from Trump or start a new party without the traitors, bigots, and cranks that now constitute 90% of the Repug Party. Removing Trump from the picture is the first step in that direction.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Don't underestimate the power of history. Don't underestimate the power of self-preservation. Republicans in Congress saw what happened during the 2018 elections. They better take back the party from Trump or start a new party without the traitors, bigots, and cranks that now constitute 90% of the Repug Party. Removing Trump from the picture is the first step in that direction.
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Other than 2002 where Bush had 9-11 behind him, what party has not LOST seats in the midterm election? remind me what happened to clinton in 94 or Obama in 2010
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Yes, this is a justified impeachment. However, it's a fallacy that the Clinton impeachment hurt the Republican Party and it always has been. Republicans maintained control of Congress in 1998 and 2000. So how did impeachment "hurt" the Republicans? In addition, Bush won the 2000 election, albeit under very controversial circumstances.
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That's why I wrote "might" help a a president, as in, it's plausible, and the Clinton impeachment showed that - not so much because it happened as that it showed it could. Republicans expected to win 20-30 seats after impeaching; instead they lost 5, the first time the opposition lost seats in a second term midterm since 1834.

If Clinton had not been impeached, you can definitely make a strong argument that Gore would have won the 2000 election handily. I would argue that Clinton gave us 8 years of a terrible President (Bush) because of his stupid and unethical conduct.
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Sadly, you're probably right. There's a lot more to the story including Republican abuses, but the short version is, it very likely had that disastrous effect - with voters partly to blame for weighing the sex more than the risks of Bush jr. and Republicans generally.
 
TurtleDude said:
I live in Ohio, I never heard any claims that Kerry won Ohio. Going to the middle of Ohio and basically rooting for Michigan didn't help that pampered twit of a candidate.
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Well, what can I say? You obviously don't read very much or get all of your news from right-wing sources. It was well-documented after the 2004 election that Kerry won Ohio based on the exit polls (54% - 45%). Somehow, the exit polls were "wrong", although no evidence of how the exit polls were wrong has ever been provided.
 
Fletch said:
And I want to see Obamas private conversations. And Bidens. Lets see his conversations with Ukraine.
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Do you believe they were whisked away to a top secret highly classified computer system?
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Yes, the Republican Party is dead. There is now only a Trump Party full of racists, traitors, and conspiracy theorist cranks.

The 20 or so Republican Senators who remove Trump from office will have to try to build a new Republican Party where decency and ethical behavior actually matter again. Because it's become obvious that the Trump Party is pure evil and hopelessly corrupt.
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There is no 'new' or 'real' Republican Party. The party is one thing: plutocracy.

Because of that, they will take any voters they can get. And it is why trump has their support: because he was able to barely win and get them power. They had largely stopped expecting to win the presidency, and planned to focus on the Senate, trying to shift as much power to it as possible.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Well, what can I say? You obviously don't read very much or get all of your news from right-wing sources. It was well-documented after the 2004 election that Kerry won Ohio based on the exit polls (54% - 45%). Somehow, the exit polls were "wrong", although no evidence of how the exit polls were wrong has ever been provided.
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OMG is that hilarious. you probably still think Hillary won based on the polls as well.

The pampered bandaid warrior was a joke in Ohio.
 
bearpoker said:
The pressure on Democrats is to make a convincing case to the American people. They need a clear and solid majority to favor impeachment. If they get that, it's possible that enough Republicans will support impeachment to make it stick in the Senate.
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If there IS a case, there is NO DOUBT that we will all join in that action. So far, you folks have frothed about any thing you can to support impeachment, and and failed to come up with any reason.
 
TurtleDude said:
OMG is that hilarious. you probably still think Hillary won based on the polls as well.

The pampered bandaid warrior was a joke in Ohio.
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Exit polls are extremely accurate. That's why they are used by the UN to verify elections in third world countries. That's why they are used by every major TV network in the U.S.

That's why Fox News announced on election night at 8 pm in 2004 that Kerry was going to be the next President, based on the exit polls. That's why Condoleeza Rice was crying on Air Force one earlier that day, after seeing the exit polls. That's why Bush threw a temper tantrum earlier that day, after seeing the exit polls.

Ohio was stolen from Kerry and Republicans have not legitimately won a Presidential election since Bush Sr. in 1988.
 
I previously thought all the republicans in the Senate would cover for Trump the entire time he's in office.

I now believe that they can't cover for a mob boss like they want to. They probably will have to remove him.

And even if they don't the voters are going to remove him during the next election. So it's a win win for Democrats.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Bernie Sanders is the real deal. He is the best hope for this country. I hope he wins the nomination.
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we're still at the "it could happen" stage, but i don't really see it happening. our two option system sucks, but the anti-Tweety faction has to vote anti-Tweety. if this idiot gets a second term, look out.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Exit polls are extremely accurate. That's why they are used by the UN to verify elections in third world countries. That's why they are used by every major TV network in the U.S.

That's why Fox News announced on election night at 8 pm in 2004 that Kerry was going to be the next President, based on the exit polls. That's why Condoleeza Rice was crying on Air Force one earlier that day, after seeing the exit polls. That's why Bush threw a temper tantrum earlier that day, after seeing the exit polls.

Ohio was stolen from Kerry and Republicans have not legitimately won a Presidential election since Bush Sr. in 1988.
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Stop the CT nonsense. My wife was part of the Bush Campaign in O4 (I was not-HATCH ACT) and was a Plaintiff in a lawsuit against Democrat party nonsense. we never doubted W was going to win Ohio.
 
Helix said:
we're still at the "it could happen" stage, but i don't really see it happening. our two option system sucks, but the anti-Tweety faction has to vote anti-Tweety. if this idiot gets a second term, look out.
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I will be celebrating the TDS crowd parroting the Martians at the end of MARS Attacks!
 
CaughtInThe said:
I previously thought all the republicans in the Senate would cover for Trump the entire time he's in office.

I now believe that they can't cover for a mob boss like they want to. They probably will have to remove him.

And even if they don't the voters are going to remove him during the next election. So it's a win win for Democrats.
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I think Trump could get removed if someone with the goods flips on him.

If someone credible or a group of people the whistleblower spoke to step up and testify that those excuses are a load of BS. Trump told everyone to freeze those funds to get them to investigate Biden.

Also, if emails and other documents are subpoenad that show a clear quid quo pro.

Also, if these people testify they were ordered to cover this up. Then maybe Trump heads to the helicopter and the Republican Party implodes.
 
Craig234 said:
There is no 'new' or 'real' Republican Party. The party is one thing: plutocracy.

Because of that, they will take any voters they can get. And it is why trump has their support: because he was able to barely win and get them power. They had largely stopped expecting to win the presidency, and planned to focus on the Senate, trying to shift as much power to it as possible.
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If their constituents will not hold them accountable for their plutocratic votes in the Senate, then you are correct. There are about 10% of Republican voters who despise Trump and what he stands for. The Republican Senators who impeach Trump should try to form a new party based on that. I'm not saying they will succeed, but they should try. If the party remains the Trump Party, most of them will eventually perish. They have no other legitimate alternative, other than becoming Democrats.

And I've got to tell you...I don't want any of the current crop of Republican Senators in the Democratic Party, no matter how they vote on impeachment.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Don't be surprised if Trump is ultimately removed from office as a result of the impeachment trial in the Senate.

Yes, all of the Republicans in the Senate are corrupt. Yes, many of the Republicans in the Senate are total idiots just like Trump. However, most of them are not idiots. Most of the Republicans in the Senate privately cannot stand Trump. And they know that Trump will ultimately destroy the Republican Party if he remains in office.

The evidence regarding Ukraine is so overwhelming that there is going to be tremendous pressure on the Republicans in the Senate. They are not going to be able privately wring their hands, off the record, to reporters anymore about Trump's bad behavior. They will have to take a public vote on whether or not to remove Trump from office. I think it's quite conceivable that 20 of these Republican Senators will actually put country before party and vote to remove Trump.

Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson reported Trump's bad behavior to Congress. Atkinson was appointed by Trump in 2018, for crying out loud. It doesn't get much more damning than that.

Many political pundits and so-called "experts" say the pressure is on the Democrats. Nope. The impeachment case has already been made. The pressure is squarely on the shoulders of Republicans in the Senate now.
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Good luck with all that evidence--hearsay from an unidentified source that mostly relates to Trump asking for an investigation into apparent corruption that Biden openly bragged about.
 
TurtleDude said:
Stop the CT nonsense. My wife was part of the Bush Campaign in O4 (I was not-HATCH ACT) and was a Plaintiff in a lawsuit against Democrat party nonsense. we never doubted W was going to win Ohio.
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OK, so why did Fox News doubt it on election night? Why did Bush doubt it?
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
OK, so why did Fox News doubt it on election night? Why did Bush doubt it?
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I don't recall your claims about fox--on election nights I have three different news sources up on a tv monitor and several more sources on the computer. Unlike 2000, I never had any doubts that bush was going to win. The Bush appointed US attorneys in two of the districts I tried cases, were both confident they would be serving for another four years as well. A good friend of mine who ended up being the Acting AG under Bush, and was one of the top guys in DOJ at the time was telling me his tenure was not in doubt.
 
TurtleDude said:
More our "poop don't stink". The Democrats are as or more corrupt than the GOP. The Dems record of dishonest election scheming is well documented-going back to at least 1960
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That's just the bull**** the Republican party feeds you.

Newsflash. The cons can't win a fair game. At all.
 
Obscurity said:
That's just the bull**** the Republican party feeds you.

Newsflash. The cons can't win a fair game. At all.
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more sore loserdom nonsense. I am not fed anything. You seem to think that only you leftwing haters actually research something, even though most of the TDS rants sound like they come from Rachel Madcow or CNN. The Kennedy vote buying in 1960 is well documented.
 
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