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Don't Be Surprised If Trump Is Actually Removed From Office As A Result of Impeachment

Kerry Won Ohio said:
Thank you for posting this. The Democrats really chickened-out on the Conyers Report. They should have reported the truth -- that Kerry actually won the 2004 election, based on the exit poll results. But they didn't want to open that can of worms.

Another fascinating fact from Robert Kennedy Jr's Rolling Stone article in 2006 is that a liberal Democratic state judge in Ohio somehow received thousands of more votes statewide than Kerry did. That is pretty preposterous that a little-known Democratic judge somehow got more votes than the Democratic Presidential nominee. Any election expert will tell you that down-ballot candidates (such as a state judge) never outperform a Presidential nominee from the same political party. This is further evidence that there was widespread fraud in Ohio during the 2004 election.
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Sure and Trump is the only candidate and now potus of either party who's screaming and hollering falsely about "rigged elections" and millions voting illegally against him in a given state, California which is a favorite Right Wing punching bag.

The 2016 recount in Wisconsin that was stopped found among other frauds a Republican county board of elections that entered its two strongest Republican voting precincts twice in its tally. Yet the recounting in WI was stopped by a judge. We need to put sunshine on these Republican frauds given Trump will stop at nothing to remain in the WH presently and going forward. I haven't any doubt Trump would be stopped Constitutionally if it came down to it yet it's better not to have to go there for it.
 
Tangmo said:
Sure and Trump is the only candidate and now potus of either party who's screaming and hollering falsely about "rigged elections" and millions voting illegally against him in a given state, California which is a favorite Right Wing punching bag.

The 2016 recount in Wisconsin that was stopped found among other frauds a Republican county board of elections that entered its two strongest Republican voting precincts twice in its tally. Yet the recounting in WI was stopped by a judge. We need to put sunshine on these Republican frauds given Trump will stop at nothing to remain in the WH presently and going forward. I haven't any doubt Trump would be stopped Constitutionally if it came down to it yet it's better not to have to go there for it.
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Yes, Trump did not win Wisconsin legitimately. Voter turnout among African-Americans was way down in the Milwaukee area from 2012. Why? Because of the fascist Scott Walker's and the Republican's new voter ID laws, which suppressed voter turnout among poor people and minorities across the state.

I agree that it's dangerous for Trump to be an incumbent President during the 2020 election. He will stop at nothing to steal the 2020 election, which is why I was so frustrated with the Democrats for not starting formal impeachment proceedings months ago after the Mueller Report came out.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
The Democrats are going to vote for impeachment. The impeachment proceedings are just a formality at this point. That ship has sailed.

The risk of this backfiring on Democrats are slim to none, even if a bunch of Republicans in the Senate disgrace themselves and allow Trump to remain in office. Republicans will be the ones who look bad, not Democrats. It's hard for Democrats to look bad when they are standing up for the Constitution.
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We'll see, but I still think this isn't as clear cut for independents who tend to be more suspicious of both parties in general. Democrats and Republican supporters seem to be in agreement with their respective parties.
 
ElChupacabra said:
We'll see, but I still think this isn't as clear cut for independents who tend to be more suspicious of both parties in general. Democrats and Republican supporters seem to be in agreement with their respective parties.
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Trump has already admitted that he abused his power by calling the Ukranian President and pressuring him to begin an investigation of Biden. Plus, this conversation is described in a memo provided by Trump's OWN WHITE HOUSE. The evidence is very clear cut.

All Democrats have to do is repeat what I just said over and over and not allow Repugs to try to keep spinning the facts. But even if the Dems say nothing over the next few weeks, Trump and the Repugs are not going to be able to bs there way through this. Trump and the Repugs are in deep trouble and they know it.
 
ElChupacabra said:
We'll see, but I still think this isn't as clear cut for independents who tend to be more suspicious of both parties in general. Democrats and Republican supporters seem to be in agreement with their respective parties.
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Independents hoist their sail each election and go where the political winds take 'em.

They side with whichever party base is dominant on the issues and the needs of the moment. Which is why a significant number of independents can vote for Obama in one election then vote for Trump in the next one. Independent voters are the same as Trump or similar to him, ie, they haven't any core except their own narrow individual interests and biases. They're cafeteria voters who have no policies or programs so they align themselves with the dominant party of the moment based on their whims of the immediate election.

Independents who can vote for Trump in 2020 for instance either don't care about national security, defense, sovereignty or they are simply ready to surrender it to the active adversaries of the United States. Which means independents don't pay any more than zero mind to the Constitution same as Trump does.

Independents are 51-49 voters much of the time. There are Independent-D and Independent-R. Only sometimes do independent voters go over the side completely to one candidate or the other. Independents who vote for Trump in 2020 are no better than he is, which is abominable. Each party base will decide the election next year which is how it works almost always.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
They've got the White House quid pro quo phone conversation memo and several officials who can corroborate what happened. The case has already been made for the most part.
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Yeah, the evidence is so powerful that Schiff had to lie about what was said during the phone call.
 
Tangmo said:
Independents hoist their sail each election and go where the political winds take 'em.

They side with whichever party base is dominant on the issues and the needs of the moment. Which is why a significant number of independents can vote for Obama in one election then vote for Trump in the next one. Independent voters are the same as Trump or similar to him, ie, they haven't any core except their own narrow individual interests and biases. They're cafeteria voters who have no policies or programs so they align themselves with the dominant party of the moment based on their whims of the immediate election.

Independents who can vote for Trump in 2020 for instance either don't care about national security, defense, sovereignty or they are simply ready to surrender it to the active adversaries of the United States. Which means independents don't pay any more than zero mind to the Constitution same as Trump does.

Independents are 51-49 voters much of the time. There are Independent-D and Independent-R. Only sometimes do independent voters go over the side completely to one candidate or the other. Independents who vote for Trump in 2020 are no better than he is, which is abominable. Each party base will decide the election next year which is how it works almost always.
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I agree with everything you just said about independents. I think I may actually despise independents more than I despise Republicans.

Independents pretend that they are impartial and "above the fray". They arrogantly look down on Democrats and Republicans and think they are more objective and open-minded than everyone else.

However, independents are not objective and open-minded. They are just neutral, which is not the same as being open-minded. And they are neutral because they simply don't know very much and they usually don't care to know very much, either. They have no ideology and are uninformed, just like idiot Trump.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I'm not arguing the justification to continue proceedings, but general opinion among independent voters and what implications that might have come election time. I'm just using the poll results as a slight insight on how this can potentially backfire should this go nowhere.
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So you must be an Independent-R.

Whether a leaner or "solid" as they say.

As in R. For one thingy you're trying to sound mildly wrought for Democrats. And you are silent about risks to Republicans and Trump in particular, as if they didn't have any concerns. Or so it could seem.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, the evidence is so powerful that Schiff had to lie about what was said during the phone call.
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Yep, sure he did. And it doesn't really matter what Schiff said. Trump has already admitted he abused his power and he has no legitimate reason to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent like Biden.

So I don't know why you are whining about Schiff, other than that's the only weak nonsense that you Republicans can come up with. You'll have to do much better than that if you want Trump to survive.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Yep, sure he did. And it doesn't really matter what Schiff said. Trump has already admitted he abused his power and he has no legitimate reason to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent like Biden.

So I don't know why you are whining about Schiff, other than that's the only weak nonsense that you Republicans can come up with. You'll have to do much better than that if you want Trump to survive.
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It does matter what Schiff said. It matters that he had to lie, because he knows there isn't evidence of a crime. See, the problem lies in the fact that in the Senate, during the trial, no one will be able to lie about the context of the actual phone call. The witnesses will probably refuse to testify because they don't want to perjur themselves.
 
apdst said:
It does matter what Schiff said. It matters that he had to lie, because he knows there isn't evidence of a crime. See, the problem lies in the fact that in the Senate, during the trial, no one will be able to lie about the context of the actual phone call. The witnesses will probably refuse to testify because they don't want to perjur themselves.
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What you don't get is that there is no proper context for the phone call.

So you believe Trump has the authority to pressure a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent? If you believe that, just say it. Because that is really the only "defense" that Trump has left. It's not a good defense, but Trump and the Repubs are going to have to come up with something. It might as well be this.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, the evidence is so powerful that Schiff had to lie about what was said during the phone call.
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Something tells me Schiff gets you guys cranking more than Hillary did and still does.

The Right's posts about Schiff are already a fun amusement park ride for us over here.

The Right's gonna start seeing Shiff's face every day now that he's the main man on impeachment and Intelligence Committee chairman besides. Gonna be seeing his face and hearing his voice all night too over there too.

I'll bet dollars to donuts Trump himself overloads Twitter because of Schiff.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
What you don't get is that there is no proper context for the phone call.

So you believe Trump has the authority to pressure a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent? If you believe that, just say it. Because that is really the only "defense" that Trump has left. It's not a good defense, but Trump and the Repubs are going to have to come up with something. It might as well be this.
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Trump didn't pressure Zelensky into anything. Zelensky said that, himself.

It's so obvious that this a nothingburger, that Schiff felt the need to lie, during a congressional hearing.
 
Tangmo said:
So you must be an Independent-R.

Whether a leaner or "solid" as they say.

As in R. For one thingy you're trying to sound mildly wrought for Democrats. And you are silent about risks to Republicans and Trump in particular, as if they didn't have any concerns. Or so it could seem.
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Another thing about Independents...they think they are more important than everyone else. They feel that Democrats and Republicans must kowtow to them to earn their precious, uninformed votes.
 
apdst said:
Trump didn't pressure Zelensky into anything. Zelensky said that, himself.

It's so obvious that this a nothingburger, that Schiff felt the need to lie, during a congressional hearing.
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Trump admitted that he asked Zelensky to investigate Biden. Do you feel that is appropriate for a President to do? It's a simple question.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Thank you for posting this. The Democrats really chickened-out on the Conyers Report. They should have reported the truth -- that Kerry actually won the 2004 election, based on the exit poll results. But they didn't want to open that can of worms.

Another fascinating fact from Robert Kennedy Jr's Rolling Stone article in 2006 is that a liberal Democratic state judge in Ohio somehow received thousands of more votes statewide than Kerry did. That is pretty preposterous that a little-known Democratic judge somehow got more votes than the Democratic Presidential nominee. Any election expert will tell you that down-ballot candidates (such as a state judge) never outperform a Presidential nominee from the same political party. This is further evidence that there was widespread fraud in Ohio during the 2004 election.
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Except exit polls are not how Presidents are elected.

That and world wide exit polls are shown not to be accurate.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
I see what you did there....that you were sly enough to go to the trouble to find someone who fit tells me you knew exactly who I was talking about.
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I didn't but Sheldon Whitehouse was a friend of mine in college. Surprisingly, he was on the shooting team and he was sort of a second string team member as a senior and was hoping to finally start-and along I come-the freshman who ended up being #1 and kept him on the JV. But he was always helpful towards me and I noted, when I ended up being the conference champion, that he was a reason for it. Shocked the hell out of me that he is a big time gun banner (and his daughter ended up on the college team decades later)
 
Fledermaus said:
Except exit polls are not how Presidents are elected.

That and world wide exit polls are shown not to be accurate.
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Actually, exit polls do determine how officials are elected. Exit polls have been used to overturn fraudulent elections throughout the world. Including in Ukraine in 2004, a couple of days before the U.S. election.
 
TurtleDude said:
I didn't but Sheldon Whitehouse was a friend of mine in college. Surprisingly, he was on the shooting team and he was sort of a second string team member as a senior and was hoping to finally start-and along I come-the freshman who ended up being #1 and kept him on the JV. But he was always helpful towards me and I noted, when I ended up being the conference champion, that he was a reason for it. Shocked the hell out of me that he is a big time gun banner (and his daughter ended up on the college team decades later)
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Adelson. Sheldon Adelson.
 
TurtleDude said:
I didn't but Sheldon Whitehouse was a friend of mine in college. Surprisingly, he was on the shooting team and he was sort of a second string team member as a senior and was hoping to finally start-and along I come-the freshman who ended up being #1 and kept him on the JV. But he was always helpful towards me and I noted, when I ended up being the conference champion, that he was a reason for it. Shocked the hell out of me that he is a big time gun banner (and his daughter ended up on the college team decades later)
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I don't know why that would surprise you. You are conflating two completely different issues. I don't think AR-15s were used on your shooting team.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Actually, exit polls do determine how officials are elected. Exit polls have been used to overturn fraudulent elections throughout the world. Including in Ukraine in 2004, a couple of days before the U.S. election.
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An overthrow in one of the most corrupt countries does not mean exit polls are reliable.... Ask Australia or India, or the US.
 
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