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Transcript is released... and I'm not seeing any quid pro quo in there... But Biden is done.

akyron said:
FYI

FBI texts: Obama 'wants to know everything we're doing'
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Johnson suggests in the report that one particular set of texts between Strzok and Page — who were romantically involved — revealed that the two had been tasked with preparing talking points for then-FBI Director James Comey because Obama apparently wanted to be kept abreast of the case.

In a Sept. 2, 2016, text exchange, Page writes that she was preparing the talking points because "potus wants to know everything we’re doing." Potus is an acronym for president of the United States.

But it is not clear that the text message between the two refers to the FBI's investigation of Clinton. Johnson's report only says that the text "may relate" to the FBI’s Clinton investigation, since the Justice Department had redacted other text messages that related to other investigations.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html#comments-wrapper

So you have nothing. You had a Republican House, Senate and DOJ. Why hasn't anything happened? Because there is not enough evidence. Republicans would investigate Obama if he sneazed.
 
Lutherf said:
Right. And you seem to be reading stuff into it that isn't there.
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I think you deserve a promotion. Maybe you should come to may apartment tonight so we can discuss it?

Are suggesting that I need to sleep with you to get the promotion?

I think you're reading stuff into what I said that isn't there.


You're just gaslighting.
 
HumblePi said:
Do you or anyone else know what 'CrowdStrike' is? I do, so I'll explain CrowdStrike to you but I have no idea why Trump would even mention CrowdStrike to Zelensky.

CrowdStrike is a Silicon Valley cybersecurity firm that was hired by the Democratic National Committee in 2016 to investigate how hackers, which it later identified as Russian groups, breached a DNC network then released stolen emails from the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to Wikileaks, just months before the U.S. general election.

Billionaire George Kurtz and Dmitri Alperovitch, both ex-McAfee executives, founded the company in 2011. Alperovitch, a Russian expat, is CrowdStrike’s chief technology officer. CrowdStrike said it had been able to identify the Russian agents behind the DNC hack because it was already familiar with them: It had been tracking Cozy Bear, which sends phishing emails to targets, since 2014, and also had been following Fancy Bear, a second Russian-based group in operation since 2008.

In a confusing ramble, Trump told Zelenksy he’d like him to look into “the server,” and namedropped CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm that investigated the hack on the Democratic National Committee in 2016. How Trump managed to remember the name "CrowdStrike," which is mentioned only four times in the Mueller report, each in footnotes, is anyone's guess. And honestly, who knows what the **** Trump is actually trying to say here. It’s unclear why he believes Ukraine has “the server,” and what server he is even talking about. Presumably, Trump is referring to the DNC server that’s at the center of a conspiracy theory completely made up by Trump’s imagination, though perhaps he's thinking of Hillary Clinton's private email server.

In a 2017 interview with the Associated Press, Trump said CrowdStrike is “Ukraine-based” (fact check: it’s based in Sunnyvale, California, and has a big office in Arlington, Virginia). So, to recap, it seems that Trump is saying that CrowdStrike, an American company, is actually Ukrainian. That’s why he’s asking the new President of Ukraine, a former comedian by the way, to help him find a missing server that actually does not exist.

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Yes I am familiar with CrowdStrike but not quite the same as you.
CrowdStrike was cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC to look into its hacking breach, had been exposed as being completely wrong about a separate attack it claimed originated from the same group it claimed broke into DNC systems, and supposedly works for Russia’s military intelligence unit, GRU.

The CrowdStrike report, released in December, asserted that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, resulting in heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine’s war with Russian-backed separatists.
The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) said that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.

The firm was the first to link hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors and CrowdStrike co-founder Dimiti Alperovitch trumpeted its Ukraine report as more evidence of Russian election tampering.

The firm’s CTO and co-founder, Dmitri Alperovitch, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, a think tank with openly anti-Russian sentiments that is funded by Ukrainian billionaire Victor Pinchuk, who also happened to donate at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation.

The FBI was denied access to the DNC servers by the DNC itself, and simply agreed to rely on the results provided by CrowdStrike, which had ties to all sorts of anti-Russia organizations and individuals. It is remarkable that James Comey as head of the FBI outsourced his job to CrowdStrike.

Google was a major investor in CrowdStrike, the Chairman of Alphabet, Inc. (Google’s parent company), Eric Schmidt was actively working to help the Hillary campaign. Google billionaire Chairman Eric Schmidt’s had an under-the-radar startup that become a major technology vendor for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign
 
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Yes I am familiar with CrowdStrike but not quite the same as you.
CrowdStrike was cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC to look into its hacking breach, had been exposed as being completely wrong about a separate attack it claimed originated from the same group it claimed broke into DNC systems, and supposedly works for Russia’s military intelligence unit, GRU.

The CrowdStrike report, released in December, asserted that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, resulting in heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine’s war with Russian-backed separatists.
The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) said that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.

The firm was the first to link hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors and CrowdStrike co-founder Dimiti Alperovitch trumpeted its Ukraine report as more evidence of Russian election tampering.

The firm’s CTO and co-founder, Dmitri Alperovitch, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, a think tank with openly anti-Russian sentiments that is funded by Ukrainian billionaire Victor Pinchuk, who also happened to donate at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation.

The FBI was denied access to the DNC servers by the DNC itself, and simply agreed to rely on the results provided by CrowdStrike, which had ties to all sorts of anti-Russia organizations and individuals. It is remarkable that James Comey as head of the FBI outsourced his job to CrowdStrike.

Google was a major investor in CrowdStrike, the Chairman of Alphabet, Inc. (Google’s parent company), Eric Schmidt was actively working to help the Hillary campaign. Google billionaire Chairman Eric Schmidt’s had an under-the-radar startup that become a major technology vendor for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign
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All this CrowdStrike conspiracy crap has nothing to do with the fact that Trump used the power of his office to investigate his political opponent.
 
Lutherf said:
Good grief! I get so sick and tired of the "guilty until proved innocent" mentality around here. I realize that impeachment is a purely political thing and that no real crime is needed to prove "high crimes and misdemeanors" because congress gets to decide for themselves what that term means but if they overreach, well, God bless them.
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There is a tyranny in our midst. Yesterday Nancy announced a formal impeachment inquiry. There were leaks to democrat operatives in the media to set up the press conference.

This normally requires the body politic to vote.

There was no vote. The house normally votes on significant issues such as the name of a post office. Is this an insignificant issue? Without the vote...yes.

Besides the labeling change, this is no different than their activities for the last three years.

Besides another pseudo-event manufactured and initiated by another democrat operative, this is no different than what was going on the day before.

In an ironic twist, Nancy cited the constitution even as she was attempting to shred it.

This is a serious effort to remove the vote results from the American citizen.

The why of this is to isolate and cripple this presidency and by extension, the country.

The process of impeachment proceedings normally include a trial in the Senate with a conviction of a Supermajority overseen by the Chief Justice. The reason for this is the framers wanted to stop impeachment from being a political process. They specifically wanted to get away from the problems that occurred with the parliament in England.

The Federalist No. 65

Nancy has abandoned the specific processes outlined in the constitution and handed it to 6 of her closest crazed democrats including hypocrite gonadler and the escaped turkey schiff. Quite a betrayal.

This entire scenario is yet another democrat wile e coyote acme scheme destined to fail as long as the universe remains sane.

Will the distraction from Bidens admitted corruptions work? Doubtful.

So when is Hunter Biden going to be called front and center to testify to the activities of his company?

This is a purely political act defended on TV and such unmoored in reality. Quite the theatre.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. We had a two years long Mueller report which showed that Trump and Putin or any other Russian conspired to influence the election.
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What would you call over 100 contacts where the Russians helped Trump to win the election and Trump eagerly accepted the help?
 
akyron said:
There is a tyranny in our midst. Yesterday Nancy announced a formal impeachment inquiry. There were leaks to democrat operatives in the media to set up the press conference.

This normally requires the body politic to vote.

There was no vote. The house normally votes on significant issues such as the name of a post office. Is this an insignificant issue? Without the vote...yes.

Besides the labeling change, this is no different than their activities for the last three years.

Besides another pseudo-event manufactured and initiated by another democrat operative, this is no different than what was going on the day before.

In an ironic twist, Nancy cited the constitution even as she was attempting to shred it.

This is a serious effort to remove the vote results from the American citizen.

The why of this is to isolate and cripple this presidency and by extension, the country.

The process of impeachment proceedings normally include a trial in the Senate with a conviction of a Supermajority overseen by the Chief Justice. The reason for this is the framers wanted to stop impeachment from being a political process. They specifically wanted to get away from the problems that occurred with the parliament in England.

The Federalist No. 65

Nancy has abandoned the specific processes outlined in the constitution and handed it to 6 of her closest crazed democrats including hypocrite gonadler and the escaped turkey schiff. Quite a betrayal.

This entire scenario is yet another democrat wile e coyote acme scheme destined to fail as long as the universe remains sane.

Will the distraction from Bidens admitted corruptions work? Doubtful.

So when is Hunter Biden going to be called front and center to testify to the activities of his company?

This is a purely political act defended on TV and such unmoored in reality. Quite the theatre.
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Congress, little by little (and this comes from both sides of the aisle) has held themselves out to the the the superior branch of government. They have decided that, through "oversight" they have the RESPONSIBILITY to prevent the Executive from functioning as anything other than a punching bad for them. The Judiciary, under Roberts, has chosen to function as the protection wing of the Legislature. Whatever the Legislature chooses to do and without regard to Constitutional limits the Judiciary finds a way to make it hold up.

We are, without a doubt, becoming an analog of the European model of government.
 
akyron said:
There is a tyranny in our midst. Yesterday Nancy announced a formal impeachment inquiry. There were leaks to democrat operatives in the media to set up the press conference.

This normally requires the body politic to vote.

There was no vote.
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Pelosi did not violate any law or constitutional provision. Get it together.


Besides another pseudo-event manufactured and initiated by another democrat operative, this is no different than what was going on the day before.
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Trump pressured a foreign leader to engage in a fake investigation of the son of a political rival. The memo (which is not a verbatim report) confirms this. The whistleblower complaint will likely discuss additional evidence of this malfeasance.


This is a serious effort to remove the vote results from the American citizen.
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No, it isn't. Impeachment is a constitutional mechanism to deal with a President who has committed high crimes and misdemeanors.


The why of this is to isolate and cripple this presidency and by extension, the country.
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No, it isn't. It's providing oversight and accountability to a President who does not care about the rule of law.


The process of impeachment proceedings normally include a trial in the Senate with a conviction of a Supermajority overseen by the Chief Justice. The reason for this is the framers wanted to stop impeachment from being a political process.
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lol

Please. Impeachment is a political process. That's how it was designed from the start.


Nancy has abandoned the specific processes outlined in the constitution....
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No, she hasn't. If that was the case, then House Republicans would be screaming about those violations non-stop.

Let us know when you get a clue about how this process works, kthx.
 
Visbek said:
:roll:

Pelosi did not violate any law or constitutional provision. Get it together.



:roll:

Trump pressured a foreign leader to engage in a fake investigation of the son of a political rival. The memo (which is not a verbatim report) confirms this. The whistleblower complaint will likely discuss additional evidence of this malfeasance.



No, it isn't. Impeachment is a constitutional mechanism to deal with a President who has committed high crimes and misdemeanors.



No, it isn't. It's providing oversight and accountability to a President who does not care about the rule of law.



lol

Please. Impeachment is a political process. That's how it was designed from the start.



No, she hasn't. If that was the case, then House Republicans would be screaming about those violations non-stop.

Let us know when you get a clue about how this process works, kthx.
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Pelosi can't unilaterally start a formal impeachment process. She can call it whatever she wants but it is NOT actual impeachment. That requires a House vote and she knows she doesn't have the votes. The chances of Trump being impeached are zero yet the Dems keep beating that dead horse.
 
Visbek said:
:roll:pelosi did not violate any law or constitutional provision. Get it together.
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I agree it is purely theatre. Possibly to take the legs out of Joe Biden.

Visbek said:
Trump pressured a foreign leader to engage in a fake investigation of the son of a political rival. The memo (which is not a verbatim report) confirms this. The whistleblower complaint will likely discuss additional evidence of this malfeasance.
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In order to claim that, one must parse out the words and omit those that do not fit your false narrative. This will fit the circular reasoning that has been ongoing recently and exhibited breathlessly with the previous dozens of acme schemes that failed. There is no "whistleblower". Just another lying democrat operative that will come to light...again.

Visbek said:
No, it isn't. Impeachment is a constitutional mechanism to deal with a President who has committed high crimes and misdemeanors.
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In this specific case, Only if defeating Hillary fairly is a high crime to you.

We see this aberrant behavior from time to time willing to destroy all for your narcissistic "feelings" ignoring the rule of law and the extended ramifications of destroying the entire game in a childish fit of pique rather than playing again.

Visbek said:
No, it isn't. It's providing oversight and accountability to a President who does not care about the rule of law.
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This farce started before the inauguration. How quickly we forget. This is about corralling the American voter that committed the sin of disagreeing to be slaves to the establishment and the rest of the reprobates.

We defied democrats before.


Visbek said:
Please. Impeachment is a political process. That's how it was designed from the start.
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Incorrect as I have already laid out. What we here from the liars on CNN that it is a purely political process which of course it is not! There are legal elements and processes.

Visbek said:
No, she hasn't. If that was the case, then House Republicans would be screaming about those violations non-stop.
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Only real ones. There are very few. I agree they can be as weak or corrupt as democrats in general.

Visbek said:
Let us know when you get a clue about how this process works, kthx.
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Thank you for the example of projection. It isn't your fault. Progressives have spent decades jacking up the school system.

Three news hosts from CNN, MSNBC and Fox News all lied today about the Trump Ukraine transcript

"As Ryan Saavedra points out below, MSNBC’s Katy Tur, CNN’s Brianna Keilar and Fox News host Shep Smith all attributed Trump’s “I would like you to do us a favor” comment to the Biden request in the transcript, even though it was actually said of the Clinton server request:

MSNBC's Katy Tur, CNN's Brianna Keilar, and Fox News' Shepard Smith all lie about the Ukraine transcript

"I would like you to do us a favor" was in reference to helping DOJ with the origin of the 2016 Russia probe

All 3 skip over 548 words to falsely connect it to Biden pic.twitter.com/mHVlG9nxQm

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) September 25, 2019

As you can see from the screenshots of the transcript that we posted, Trump said “I would like you to do us a favor though” when he asked about Hillary’s email server:"

They just cannot help themselves. Tragic.
 
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HumblePi said:
Of course I do, this was just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I want to see the whistleblower testify. I want to see the transcript of his complaint. I want to see witnesses being forced to testify finally and I want to see what Trump has been hiding by refusing to disclose his tax returns.
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There is no "whistleblower". Just another democrat operative with another acme catalog.

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Kurmugeon said:
So, here is the Transcript:

Read the transcript of President Trump'''s call with Ukraine president about Biden


And like any call with a foreign leader, many subjects were discussed, but I'm not seeing an quid pro quo in there.

Nor will enough of the House and Senate.

But, it brings into focus the actions of Biden and his son, over and over and over...

Biden is done.

Which was the point!

This was never really about a serious attempt to Impeach Trump, this was about destroying Biden, and making Warren #1.

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Because you're not legally astute doesn't mean more learned people aren't.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
When the Ukrainian president talks about Javelin missiles he's talking about the funds. The very next thing Trump says is "I would like you to do us a favor..."

This is how military aid works. We give them money and they use that money to buy weapons like Javelin missiles. They can't afford the Javelins they need to fight Russian tanks without the funds that Trump is withholding.
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If you are going to hang an impeachment on that flimsy interpretation, you are kidding yourself. Plus, if you notice, Trump asked first about help with the investigation into the Ukraine role in the 2016 election
 
HumblePi said:
You're delusional now. The DEEP STATE has taken over your mind.
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But there isnt a whistleblower. The guy who started this is a partisan hack with no first hand knowledge of the call. Now that we have the transcript of the call, the hack has nothing to add.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You don't need a Quid Pro Quo but it's clearly implied since Trump put a hold on the money.

But we know for a fact that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son. How can you deny that this is an abuse of power?

Trump cannot use his official position for personal gain. He cannot use the White House to investigate his political opponents. Period. Full Stop.

The issue with Biden was back in 2014. You had Republican House and Senate. Why wasn't anything found back then?

This issue was looked into back then. Nothing was found.
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Maybe it is or isn’t an abuse of power. How is that determined? What measurement, rule, principle, rationale, logic, test, that can be applied to these and show this is an abuse of power?


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Fletch said:
If you are going to hang an impeachment on that flimsy interpretation, you are kidding yourself. Plus, if you notice, Trump asked first about help with the investigation into the Ukraine role in the 2016 election
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Do me a favor... do a word search of the Memorandum for the term "reciprocal". What do you figure the President was referring to when he said the Ukraine wasn't reciprocating the aid it received from the US?
 
HumblePi said:
Let me respond by first informing you that this is not 'the transcript', despite what it's being called. What was released this morning is a memo released by the White House and it is not a full transcript. These are notes taken by interpreters during a two-way conversation. We will eventually get to see the full transcript from the whisteblower himself, and not one put out by Trump.

But that doesn’t mean the conversation conveyed in the memo is totally above board. On the contrary, Zelenskiy brings up military aid and Trump is quoted as responding, “I would like you to do us a favor though.” He goes on to discuss possibly investigations and later brings up Joe Biden and his son.

So the fact that there is no “we must have this for that” line doesn’t mean Trump is exonerated. Right now, Trump is in 'Roy Cohn mode', that's deny, deflect and distract.
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Why would we think that the whistleblower would have a full transcript? Supposedly, he's one of these guys transcribing the call or somehow is handling the paperwork after the fact. What does he know that's not in the transcript? And why would he alone know it?
And of course, there are other people in the room as well.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I think there is a good chance that half of Republicans vote to remove him. It's that bad. And let's not forget that Trump tried to cover this up by blocking the whistleblower.
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:lamo Yeah, that's the ticket.
 
Kurmugeon said:
So, here is the Transcript:

Read the transcript of President Trump'''s call with Ukraine president about Biden


And like any call with a foreign leader, many subjects were discussed, but I'm not seeing an quid pro quo in there.

Nor will enough of the House and Senate.

But, it brings into focus the actions of Biden and his son, over and over and over...

Biden is done.

Which was the point!

This was never really about a serious attempt to Impeach Trump, this was about destroying Biden, and making Warren #1.

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Trump has always been a person who doesn't say anything clearly but what he wants done is clearly implied. He is a manipulator that does not respect the law and he has said enough things over the past 4 years that clearly show that what he wants, he wants it done by those around him that can do it. He is the perfect Mafia Boss that never gets personally involved but those that work for him know what he wants and if they don't do it, they are gone. Remember Sessions?

Anyhow and on another note, you are right about Biden being gone but not because of this as Biden is totally innocent of any wrong doing............Totally Innocent. He is a top notch person that is principled and with ethics and morals (what Trump has none of). Nonetheless, he is gone because he is getting old, has lost a step or two, and Warren is much better than he is and with clear plans (which Biden does not have).

I will make a prediction, Trump should have helped Biden be the nominee because he would have a good point when accusing Biden of losing a step. Trump will be trounced by Warren and beaten down like any bully running up against a well-prepared tiger with great self defense and offense.
 
Fletch said:
But there isnt a whistleblower. The guy who started this is a partisan hack with no first hand knowledge of the call. Now that we have the transcript of the call, the hack has nothing to add.
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Yeah? You know this person? Please tell us who it is, we're all dying to know.
 
Kurmugeon said:
So, here is the Transcript:

Read the transcript of President Trump'''s call with Ukraine president about Biden


And like any call with a foreign leader, many subjects were discussed, but I'm not seeing an quid pro quo in there.

Nor will enough of the House and Senate.

But, it brings into focus the actions of Biden and his son, over and over and over...

Biden is done.

Which was the point!

This was never really about a serious attempt to Impeach Trump, this was about destroying Biden, and making Warren #1.

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I haven't read the whole thread; someone must have said it to you already, but this is not a transcript. It's a memo, and done by White House officials, from the same notoriously lying administration. And it says then and there, read the fine print on the first page, that this is not a verbatim transcript of the conversation. Just notes taken by White House personnel. Yeah, great. Very reliable indeed [insert sarcasm here].

What part of this, printed on the document itself, you guys don't understand?

"CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion."
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
All this CrowdStrike conspiracy crap has nothing to do with the fact that Trump used the power of his office to investigate his political opponent.
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There is no conspiracy about CrowdStrike, it is all known. Trump spoke to Zelenskyy President to President, no "power" was used, I am sure you have read the whole transcript of the actual conversation.

"The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor
who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair.
A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your
very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people
involved."

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so
if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

What you are saying that even though Biden bragged that he stopped the prosecution by involving himself actively into the affairs of a foreign government, Trump was wrong to have asked the President to look into it, along with our Attorney General? That finding out if a Biden really was behind that act is a unlawful use of power on the Presidents part but it' Joe so that's OK?
 
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NotreDame said:
Maybe it is or isn’t an abuse of power. How is that determined? What measurement, rule, principle, rationale, logic, test, that can be applied to these and show this is an abuse of power?


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Joe Arpaio abused his powers as sheriff to conduct investigations of his political opponents. Can we agree this was an obvious example of abuse of power?
 
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