Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg

MrWonderful said:

P 21 The introduction of a novel term like "liberal fascism" obviously requires an explanation. Many critics will undoubtedly regard it as a crass oxymoron. Actually, however, I am not the first to use the term. That honor falls to H.G. Wells, one of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and it turns out the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World).
Nor did Wells coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis" he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.

Wells, simply put, was enthralled by the totalitarian temptation. "I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic," he declared.

Fascism, like Progressivism and communism, is expansionist because it sees no natural boundary to its ambitions. Progressivism envisions a New World Order.

P 23 Finally, since we must have a working definition of fascism, here is mine: Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good.

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Thoughtful readers are invited to provide examples of liberal fascism, for example Antifa (sic). Beating up people while hiding by cowardly masks is as fascist as America has seen in my lifetime.

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Liberal fascism is totally a thing, yes.

AProudLefty said:

Antifa soyboys are not liberals. They're anarchists.

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They think they're anarchists.

They're actually self-hating liberal conservatives.

Abbazorkzog said:

Why are you shouting?
Also, if you think ANTIFA is the most fascist thing to show up in America since fascism itself (atleast you acknowledge America had a sizable fascist presence during the 1920s/30s), you really have not been paying attention for the past, hmm, six presidents or so at the least?

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Well, forty-five anyway...

Lisa said:

Antifa exists only to combat the fascism of the Klan, Neo-nazis and the others ne'er-do-wells of the Altright. They are t not interested in their own form of government. Once the threat from the alt-right dissipates the members of the Antifa will disband and return to their couches to get baked, walk their dogs and watch Netflix.

Many people who claim that the Antifa have a political agenda are confusing the Antifa with the Black-Bloc anarchists which have existed since the 1990s. They are not the same and do not share similar goals.

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Well, the neo-Nazis, etc. cooked up by enraged liberal hysteria; phantoms.

But some good points.

MrWonderful said:

P 21 The introduction of a novel term like "liberal fascism" obviously requires an explanation. Many critics will undoubtedly regard it as a crass oxymoron. Actually, however, I am not the first to use the term. That honor falls to H.G. Wells, one of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and it turns out the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World).
Nor did Wells coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis" he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.

Wells, simply put, was enthralled by the totalitarian temptation. "I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic," he declared.

Fascism, like Progressivism and communism, is expansionist because it sees no natural boundary to its ambitions. Progressivism envisions a New World Order.

P 23 Finally, since we must have a working definition of fascism, here is mine: Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good.

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Thoughtful readers are invited to provide examples of liberal fascism, for example Antifa (sic). Beating up people while hiding by cowardly masks is as fascist as America has seen in my lifetime.

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LOL More fascist than this......

AProudLefty said:

Antifa soyboys are not liberals. They're anarchists.

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Do they know that? How come they only attack Republicans - aren't anarchists against all organized government.

AProudLefty said:

Quit trying to distance yourself from your fellow white supremacists. It's extremely dishonest.

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Quit saying stupid stuff, it's so liberal.

CMPancake said:

Anarchism would fall to the left in a typical left/right political spectrum.

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Yet, isn't smaller government and less laws typically associated with the conservatives? No laws and no government is even further.

Lisa said:

Antifa exists only to combat the fascism of the Klan, Neo-nazis and the others ne'er-do-wells of the Altright. They are t not interested in their own form of government. Once the threat from the alt-right dissipates the members of the Antifa will disband and return to their couches to get baked, walk their dogs and watch Netflix.

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you have got to be ****ting me! You actually believe that? How does beating up old people on the street equate to that?

Lisa said:

Many people who claim that the Antifa have a political agenda are confusing the Antifa with the Black-Bloc anarchists which have existed since the 1990s. They are not the same and do not share similar goals.

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And . . .?

iguanaman said:

LOL More fascist than this......

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Vastly, yes.

Thank you for inquiring.

3leftsdoo said:

Liberal fascism is totally a thing, yes.

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How can someone be a logically liberal fascist when they are opposing ideas? Fascism is a position of extreme authoritarian conservativism where the power of the state and corporations are combined. That is akin to claiming that there are atheist Christians.

AProudLefty said:

You're the one who made a hateful accusation against me so I mirrored you.

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I cited a book by Jonah Goldberg. He quoted H.G. Wells, a liberal like you who was quite proud of his fascism.

If you find fascism so hateful, why do you practice it relentlessly, calling everyone ELSE "fascist and racist"?

You LIED calling me white supremacist. I am no such thing. My best man was black. I have been called "racist" by you liberals for far too long.
It is a malicious, fascist, hateful lie. But I repeat myself.
The "moderators" at this left-wing cesspool are too cowardly to discipline you for your vile lie.

MrWonderful said:

P 21 The introduction of a novel term like "liberal fascism" obviously requires an explanation. Many critics will undoubtedly regard it as a crass oxymoron. Actually, however, I am not the first to use the term. That honor falls to H.G. Wells, one of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and it turns out the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World).
Nor did Wells coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis" he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.

Wells, simply put, was enthralled by the totalitarian temptation. "I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic," he declared.

Fascism, like Progressivism and communism, is expansionist because it sees no natural boundary to its ambitions. Progressivism envisions a New World Order.

P 23 Finally, since we must have a working definition of fascism, here is mine: Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good.

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Thoughtful readers are invited to provide examples of liberal fascism, for example Antifa (sic). Beating up people while hiding by cowardly masks is as fascist as America has seen in my lifetime.

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And posting in large print really helps your cause. :toilet:

Lisa said:

How can someone be a logically liberal fascist when they are opposing ideas? Fascism is a position of extreme authoritarian conservativism where the power of the state and corporations are combined. That is akin to claiming that there are atheist Christians.

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Or Jews for Jesus. It is all a part of the old Rove tactic of going on the offensive and accusing your opponents of your own worst failings. It really doesn't work but they keep trying anyway.

Bullseye said:

you have got to be ****ting me! You actually believe that? How does beating up old people on the street equate to that?
And . . .?

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When does Antifa beat up old people? The confront right wing fascists when they invade people's towns and streets. That is their only goal.

MrWonderful said:

Thoughtful readers are invited to provide examples of liberal fascism, for example Antifa (sic). Beating up people while hiding by cowardly masks is as fascist as America has seen in my lifetime.

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OK. Example of liberal fascists: the funding fathers and their supporters. They encouraged shooting the government to 'end oppression' and overthrow it. Some of them hid behind cowardly masks as Native Americans to commit terrorist vandalism throwing big business tea into the harbor. All in the name of some 'common good' wanting to make a state with democracy they liked better.

BTW, your OP and Jonah Goldberg are seriously deluded on the issues. It made sense to look at how some leftists risked a road to tyranny, when you had the Soviets doing some of that, not only the right - not sure why you didn't mention "Animal Farm" which was an attack on exactly that, with its most famous phrase, 'Some animals are more equal than others', about the corrupting of left ideals after a revolution.

But the arguments from the likes of Goldberg are fundamentally dishonest and false. They're straw men, equating progressive politics with corrupt, authoritarian regimes like the Soviets. There's zero mention of the actual threats to the American people today - the plutocrats of the right, who increase inequality, and harm most people's wealth and many other things like the environment and our democracy.

You ask for serious responses, but you don't offer a serious argument yourself. You throw out deluded statements such as "Progressivism and communism" - note the dishonest conflation of them like they're the same - "is expanionst because it sees no natural boundary to its ambitions". Ambitions such as 'justice' and 'everyone having opportunity'. It's plutocracy that fits your attack.

iguanaman said:

When does Antifa beat up old people? The confront right wing fascists when they invade people's towns and streets. That is their only goal.

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What flavor was your Antifa Kool Aid?

MrWonderful said:

I cited a book by Jonah Goldberg. He quoted H.G. Wells, a liberal like you who was quite proud of his fascism.

If you find fascism so hateful, why do you practice it relentlessly, calling everyone ELSE "fascist and racist"?

You LIED calling me white supremacist. I am no such thing. My best man was black. I have been called "racist" by you liberals for far too long.
It is a malicious, fascist, hateful lie. But I repeat myself.
The "moderators" at this left-wing cesspool are too cowardly to discipline you for your vile lie.

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Have read Mr. Goldbergs latest book? It's called "The Suicide of the West, How the rebirth of populism, nationalism and identity politics is destroying American democracy" You should pick up a copy. Maybe it will jog your senses back to sanity.

Welcome — Jonah Goldberg

AProudLefty said:

Antifa soyboys are not liberals. They're anarchists.

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The BLACK flag of the Antifa Black & Red represents anarchy.
The RED flag of the Antifa Black & Red represents Communism.

Bullseye said:

What flavor was your Antifa Kool Aid?

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The Antifa are only interesting in countering fascism. Don't be a fascist and they won't notice you.

Lisa said:

The Antifa are only interesting in countering fascism. Don't be a fascist and they won't notice you.

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LOL, if they were against fascists they'd be after progressives. Notice Goldberg's definition above. And Mussolini's.

3leftsdoo said:

Vastly, yes.

Thank you for inquiring.

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Only to the ignorant.

iguanaman said:

Have read Mr. Goldbergs latest book? It's called "The Suicide of the West, How the rebirth of populism, nationalism and identity politics is destroying American democracy" You should pick up a copy.

Welcome — Jonah Goldberg

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Oh so now nationalism is destroying American democracy, is it?
Your weaponized historical revisionism helped fuel that hyper-nationalism, Mister Goldberg.
Millions of zombies mumbling your lies are the core and kernel of this Right wing ultra-nationalist white supremacist front infecting our great country and we have YOU, Mr. Goldberg, to thank for it.

Populism? Again, the reason Trump's populism is like catnip is because he made extra use of your LIES, as part of his campaign rhetoric, and almost a third of Republicans think your LIES are gospel truth.
They literally cannot distinguish between the Left and Right extremes anymore thanks to your exercise in Orwellian Newspeak.

Identity politics? Your book, Liberal Fascism, has muddied the facts to the point where literally 100 percent of RW identity politics is based on your LIES.

You built this monster.
The day this monster swallows you whole, I'll be celebrating. And mark my words, it will.

Bullseye said:

LOL, if they were against fascists they'd be after progressives. Notice Goldberg's definition above. And Mussolini's.

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Progressives are the opposite of fascists. We are socialists.

Lisa said:

Progressives are the opposite of fascists. We are socialists.

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Tell yourself what ever you wish, you're only fooling yourselves.