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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    This is why I donít care much for mainstream religion. I believe there could be a god, but I donít know.

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    The Christian Right Is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion | FiveThirtyEight

    Proof is in the pudding folks. I had mentioned something similar, that the religious right wing was destroying itself in truly iconoclast fashion.

    This one is personal for me. Its part of the reason I am an atheist. The people composing the church are becoming more radical in their social views. They are ubdermining the separation of church and state, the very right that enables them to practice their faith.

    The religious right takes any advance in social justice as an affront to their beliefs. Gay marriage for example. Gays being married outside the church does not undermine traditional marriage. Christians however take this as an affront to their belief. They can believe whatever they want but they have no right to make others adhere with that belief.

    Thankfully the faith is dying by self inflicted wounds and worsening fanaticism.
    Have you considered being an agnostic instead of an atheist?
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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Is it, Lisa? Are people happier and kinder to each other in the United States right now?
    I am much happier since I left the Catholic church. I didn't have some silk-robed hypocrite telling me that I was born bad and inherently evil unless I believe in a sky fairy and pray to what I can't prove exists. Do you believe that people are inherently bad and must apologize to a psychopathic god because your god made an imperfect being, but it is their fault for being imperfect? Religious belief takes gaslighting, the Stockholm syndrome and, delusions to an art form. Once you emotionally step outside of religious belief and see it from a 3rd party point of you you will never believe the ones that you have been indoctrinated in. If people were not brought up in a religion from their childhood they would laugh at people who tried to convince them what religious believers claim to be literally true.

    Part of the problem in the US is that we have a very divisive government that is splitting the people part and it is driven by the media that says until you obey Trump, worship the GOP and fly the flag you are evil.
    Condor060 said; Who was talking about Jesus? I posted scriptures from the bible. Try and keep up

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

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    This is why I don’t care much for mainstream religion. I believe there could be a god, but I don’t know.
    So you are an agnostic.
    Condor060 said; Who was talking about Jesus? I posted scriptures from the bible. Try and keep up

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    The Christian Right Is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion | FiveThirtyEight

    Proof is in the pudding folks. I had mentioned something similar, that the religious right wing was destroying itself in truly iconoclast fashion.

    This one is personal for me. Its part of the reason I am an atheist. The people composing the church are becoming more radical in their social views. They are ubdermining the separation of church and state, the very right that enables them to practice their faith.

    The religious right takes any advance in social justice as an affront to their beliefs. Gay marriage for example. Gays being married outside the church does not undermine traditional marriage. Christians however take this as an affront to their belief. They can believe whatever they want but they have no right to make others adhere with that belief.

    Thankfully the faith is dying by self inflicted wounds and worsening fanaticism.
    More BS lies from the left and the left media. Don't bother to get the facts, just make crazy claims that support a liberal socialist agenda full of perverse behavior.

    New Harvard Research Says U.S. Christianity Is Growing Stronger

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    So you are an agnostic.
    Yes, pretty much.

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    ^ This is why you are losing young people in droves. They're not going to put up with that stupid bull****.
    You can think whatever you want. Christ and his teachings have not changed in 2000 years, and now, all of the sudden, you think it is the church that changed. That is delusional. I am sorry that you cannot see the truth for what it is.

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by enderpotato00 View Post
    Yes, pretty much.
    Are you unsure that God exists because you haven't deeply examined your religious views, or do you think that we cannot know if God exists? Or maybe you just don't care if God exists (An apathetic agnostic)

    What would keep you from saying that you don't believe that is empirical evidence that gods exist but you would consider any evidence that might come forward in the future?
    Condor060 said; Who was talking about Jesus? I posted scriptures from the bible. Try and keep up

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    How can anyone be ripped from the church, so drop the theatrics? You can think what you want to and worship what you want, but theistic religion in the US doesn't get to make the rules or decided what rights others get to enjoy by filtering the constitution or the Bill of Rights through their own interpretation of the Bible. If you need the bible to tell you to want is right and wrong because you are unable to think for yourself then you are just a rabid animal on an invisible leash. Our prisons are full of Christians so it doesn't see that their beliefs make for very moral members. How do you explain the number of pedophiles and sexual predators in the priesthood or youth minsters?

    Who are the sociopaths that you are referring to?
    I am not being theatrical, I am just calling it as it is. You disagree, fine. I am sure it is not the first thing you have been wrong about, especially regarding the Christian faith. No Christian in their right mind would say that Christians are perfect. There was only one that was perfect. The rest of us are sinners. That is just a fact. There are criminals of all stripes. You want to stereotype, that is a game the left will lose every time.

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    Re: The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    I am much happier since I left the Catholic church. I didn't have some silk-robed hypocrite telling me that I was born bad and inherently evil unless I believe in a sky fairy and pray to what I can't prove exists. Do you believe that people are inherently bad and must apologize to a psychopathic god because your god made an imperfect being, but it is their fault for being imperfect? Religious belief takes gaslighting, the Stockholm syndrome and, delusions to an art form. Once you emotionally step outside of religious belief and see it from a 3rd party point of you you will never believe the ones that you have been indoctrinated in. If people were not brought up in a religion from their childhood they would laugh at people who tried to convince them what religious believers claim to be literally true.
    Indeed. I am not religious because I do not believe in God. Period. But it is not because God is made to look scary or mean, or because his followers are cruel, or self-serving or hypocritical. None of that would matter if a cruel sky fairy did indeed exist and its existence was clearly in evidence.

    It does not gladden my heart to live in a Universe without any ultimate justice in it, and that when our loved ones die, they are dead forever except in our memories, unless we get Alzheimer's of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    Part of the problem in the US is that we have a very divisive government that is splitting the people part and it is driven by the media that says until you obey Trump, worship the GOP and fly the flag you are evil.
    And if I may, what do you believe, if anything, unites you in fellowship with fellow Americans who may not share your political views, or indeed, do not share your political views? Family ties perhaps? Hobbies? Sports?

    What should unite us? Or should anything unite us?
    Itís in the small things that the rot starts. Do the wrong thing once, itís easier to do it again. Do the individualistic thing once, it is easy to do it again.

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