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The Christian Right is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion

I think its impossible to know if God exists or not.

Not really. Using a little common sense will definitely tell you that the nutty myths in the Bible aren't true. And, from there, you can begin eliminating most of the rest of the story.
 
If Jesus did not say God disapproves of homosexuality by name do you think that means God cannot condemn sodomites for rejecting God when God judges the wicked in the final judgment?

God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. Otherwise Matthew 10:15 makes no sense. And have you ever read Judges 19?
 
Christianity is supposedly about love, but precious little love is apparent from the right, religious or otherwise. I don't see "liberals" being driven away from their religious beliefs by rightwing extremists, they just deprecate their politics, which are disconnected from Christianity.
 
If Jesus did not say God disapproves of homosexuality by name do you think that means God cannot condemn sodomites for rejecting God when God judges the wicked in the final judgment?

Are you suggesting that LGBT people cannot be a member of a church? Do you know that heterosexuals also take part in sodomy, or did that tidbit of human sexuality escape you?

Can you put forth any evidence to support your claim that there is a god, other than circular logic and a watchmaker's fallacy
 
The Christian Right Is Helping Drive Liberals Away From Religion | FiveThirtyEight

Proof is in the pudding folks. I had mentioned something similar, that the religious right wing was destroying itself in truly iconoclast fashion.

This one is personal for me. Its part of the reason I am an atheist. The people composing the church are becoming more radical in their social views. They are ubdermining the separation of church and state, the very right that enables them to practice their faith.

The religious right takes any advance in social justice as an affront to their beliefs. Gay marriage for example. Gays being married outside the church does not undermine traditional marriage. Christians however take this as an affront to their belief. They can believe whatever they want but they have no right to make others adhere with that belief.

Thankfully the faith is dying by self inflicted wounds and worsening fanaticism.

I know for sure this isn't true. One example is that the Roman Catholics are extremely charitable to undocumented migrants.

Family values starts with generosity.
The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental provider of education and medical services in the world.

If the Catholics are making liberals leave the church, I have to wonder if it isn't something else besides what I have mentioned above.
 
Are you suggesting that LGBT people cannot be a member of a church? Do you know that heterosexuals also take part in sodomy, or did that tidbit of human sexuality escape you?

Can you put forth any evidence to support your claim that there is a god, other than circular logic and a watchmaker's fallacy

Sinners will do all sorts of things, but God will not be deceived nor confused when judging sinners in the final judgment. Blind Dawkins clockmakers have also failed to see and record human thoughts but if humans think there is no God they are extremely blind to the truth of what the future holds for them.
 
Sinners will do all sorts of things, but God will not be deceived nor confused when judging sinners in the final judgment. Blind Dawkins clockmakers have also failed to see and record human thoughts but if humans think there is no God they are extremely blind to the truth of what the future holds for them.

Religious apologetics and ad hominems.
 
I know for sure this isn't true. One example is that the Roman Catholics are extremely charitable to undocumented migrants.

Family values starts with generosity.
The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental provider of education and medical services in the world.

If the Catholics are making liberals leave the church, I have to wonder if it isn't something else besides what I have mentioned above.

I give the Catholic chich points for not being a total hypocrite on Leviticus, unlike evangelical churches who cherry-pick the passage about gays and ignore the rest.

Leviticus 19:33-34 New International Version (NIV)

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
 
I give the Catholic chich points for not being a total hypocrite on Leviticus, unlike evangelical churches who cherry-pick the passage about gays and ignore the rest.

Is your religious background Catholic Christian or Muslim Christian? Or neither?
 
I was raised Roman Catholic and I took a course in critical theological survey in college as part of my minor. The more you learn about religion the more that you see it is a myth on par with Ra, Jupiter, Hormuz, and Zeus. I never believed as a kid because there were so many holes that were obvious even to a child. I hated the religious cop-out of "god works in mysterious ways" or that I was supposed to stop asking questions and just believe. You have the right to live and believe as you wish, just don't tell me that I have to take part or that my rights come from your religious beliefs because I have equal religious and secular rights that you do, especially when our views are drastically different.

Neither the Lord, the Bible, nor I have or will force you or anyone else to participate. What other people do in the name of Christianity or God does not make it their fault.
 
Try me. :lol: Tell me how many times Jesus explicitly condemned abortion or homosexuality. Not Paul, not the Old Testament. Jesus.

Name the exact chapter and verse.

That is a terrible argument. The Bible is not exhaustive on everything that the Lord does not approve of.
 
If someone sincerely believes in a God and that this god somehow intervenes in human affairs and expects certain behaviors from humanity, why wouldn't they simply change congregations to one with a more liberal bent (or at least one that did not make a point of engaging in politics)? This seems more like a pretext for non-believers to break away from the pretensions of religious faith. I mean, did you stop believing in God because you thought his representatives on Earth were mean along with fellow members of your congregation?

Would you become religious again if the vast majority of believers became more left-wing politically and promoted policies that you favored using the Bible to justify it like many right-leaning Christians presently do, but reversed in a photo-negative fashion?

Go read the article and get back to me.

I stopped believing once I figured out the basics of the religion are faulty. I finally stopped believing entirely when i escaped the bubble and began investing myself in studies of science.

But that doesnt matter. At the end of the day what the article indicates through a large study is more and morr people becoming unaffiliated due to the injection of christian conservative social values into politics. Moreover. As someone who identifies as a left libertarian I would find it very difficult to claim I am of the faith if more than half of the people in that faith call me not a real Christian or blame me and My political ideology for the destruction of the country.
 
Perhaps basing theological beliefs on the grievances you have with other people, is a practice that says more about you than it does about either God or those who follow Him?

Read the article. I am not sure I believe a single conservative talking in this thread read it at all.
 
I know for sure this isn't true. One example is that the Roman Catholics are extremely charitable to undocumented migrants.

Family values starts with generosity.
The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental provider of education and medical services in the world.

If the Catholics are making liberals leave the church, I have to wonder if it isn't something else besides what I have mentioned above.

Bull****. Look at the unending attempts at legislating Christian belief day in and day out. Abortion. National prayer breakfast. Putting religious memes on state and public grounds.

You also didnt read the article. Dont comment til you read the article and study therein. Not to mention. Any good that hideous institution os immediately undone by the rape and molestation and authoritariam cover up from the past decades.
 
That is a terrible argument. The Bible is not exhaustive on everything that the Lord does not approve of.

If it isn't in the bible then how do you know what your god doesn't approve of? Does this come to you from prayer? Why is it that everything in the bible is written from the perspective of man when the bible is supposed to be the word of god? Would the word of god be from a different perspective and contains ideas that are unknown to man?
 
Bull****. Look at the unending attempts at legislating Christian belief day in and day out. Abortion. National prayer breakfast. Putting religious memes on state and public grounds.

You also didnt read the article. Dont comment til you read the article and study therein. Not to mention. Any good that hideous institution os immediately undone by the rape and molestation and authoritariam cover up from the past decades.

Please keep pretending that you are interested in hearing another pov.
I read the article.
I gave you my views.

If you don't like what I've said... not my problem that you're incapable of civility.
 
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Y'all still toss around that old line?! That's some old-school gaslighting right there! :lamo

Your anti-Christian bigotry is certainly old school. :lamo
 
Go read the article and get back to me.

I read it, Obscurity. Perhaps I overlooked it, but it did not answer the questions I raised. If one sincerely believes in the existence of God and that this God is the moral arbiter of the universe, then a bunch of nasty, dishonest hypocrites would not allay my faith. When I was a believer, there were more than a few s***-heels in my religious group. But we migrated to a different religious community when the rotten apples spoiled our bunch, as it were.

So much of this seems to be excuse-making. Blaming conservative congregations for liberals turning away from religion makes as much sense as people blaming conservatives for liberals dropping out of engaging in politics. It is my position that if one sincerely believes in God, no amount horrible human beings sharing one's religious faith is going to cause them to turn away from that belief, because one has nothing to do with the other.

After all, if you found out tomorrow that a luminary of Leftwing Libertarianism, such as Noam Chomsky, sexually assaulted multiple children over his lifetime as many Catholic priests did would that somehow make Leftwing Libertarianism a terrible ideology in your eyes, unworthy of being taken seriously?

I stopped believing once I figured out the basics of the religion are faulty. I finally stopped believing entirely when i escaped the bubble and began investing myself in studies of science.

But that doesnt matter. At the end of the day what the article indicates through a large study is more and morr people becoming unaffiliated due to the injection of christian conservative social values into politics. Moreover. As someone who identifies as a left libertarian I would find it very difficult to claim I am of the faith if more than half of the people in that faith call me not a real Christian or blame me and My political ideology for the destruction of the country.

Well certainly. But there seem to be plenty of boutique churches in the United States which specifically welcome people with left-wing politics such as yourself. If you want to go to a church led by an out-and-proud pro-LGBT, pro-Choice pastor they do exist. Perhaps if you searched hard enough, you might very well find a pastor with dogeared copy of Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival" next to his Bible. But I doubt you would go to the trouble because, as you stated, you simply do not believe in God and see no value in religious community or fellowship.

My point is this: Not as many people have the stones as you do to simply say, "I just do not believe in God. I was not traumatized by visions of Hellfire by some rightwing fire-and-brimstone pastor. I was not molested by a priest. I just do not see any evidence that merits believing in some great creator and worshipping him in perpetuity both in this world and the world to come." Much easier to blame the Christian nutjobs than to admit one's own lack of belief.
 
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Please keep pretending that you are interested in hearing another pov.
I read the article.
I gave you my views.

If you don't like what I've said... not my problem that you're incapable of civility.

You failed to address the article at all amd instead made up some excusatory bs about the catholic church as if the charity they give undoes the hideous unlawful sjit they also do.

You know the hells angels do charity also.
 
Try me. :lol: Tell me how many times Jesus explicitly condemned abortion or homosexuality. Not Paul, not the Old Testament. Jesus.

Name the exact chapter and verse.

You're not a believer, anyway. So what difference does it make if we explain to you that the Bible is the word of God?
 
Right-Wing Christians believe Jesus is a white guy who hates socialism. :lol:

If Christians, especially Evangelical Christians, believed anything about the Bible all the men would have long beards. Where's your goddamn beard, Mike Huckabee?
 
You failed to address the article at all amd instead made up some excusatory bs about the catholic church as if the charity they give undoes the hideous unlawful sjit they also do.

You know the hells angels do charity also.

How does giving an opinion constitute failing?

Your counter is a red herring.
 
You're not a believer, anyway. So what difference does it make if we explain to you that the Bible is the word of God?

Because the rabid hatred and bigotry of the new Christian right is dividing us even further.
 
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