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    Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.

    Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.



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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.

    Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.



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    This argument is such a lie that the person making it has brown eyes because he is so full of " bleep"

    Socialism means that the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism doesn't mean handouts.

    Before you reply to me educate yourself about market socialism. Do you also understand the social democracy is different from the cow dung heap that you are shoveling to the unlearned masses?
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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.

    Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.



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    Do you know what a false dichotomy is? Do you know how that relates to your post?

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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    This argument is such a lie that the person making it has brown eyes because he is so full of " bleep"

    Socialism means that the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism doesn't mean handouts.

    Before you reply to me educate yourself about market socialism. Do you also understand the social democracy is different from the cow dung heap that you are shoveling to the unlearned masses?
    Paste any label you want in front of Socialism and the target is the same. Tweaking the Socialism label is only meant to make it more palatable.
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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    This argument is such a lie that the person making it has brown eyes because he is so full of " bleep"

    Socialism means that the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism doesn't mean handouts.

    Before you reply to me educate yourself about market socialism. Do you also understand the social democracy is different from the cow dung heap that you are shoveling to the unlearned masses?
    It sounds so good, the workers own and control the means of production. The reality is that the government or government elites own and control everything.

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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitroexpress View Post
    Paste any label you want in front of Socialism and the target is the same. Tweaking the Socialism label is only meant to make it more palatable.
    How is the workers owning and controlling the means of production in a market economy the same as your claims of handouts and bread lines? You're spreading typical fear mongering nonsense to people who could not pass a 100 level course on economics or poli-sci. I doubt that you could take part in a rational discussion of the subject so I am wasting my effort trying to reply to you.
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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlook View Post
    It sounds so good, the workers own and control the means of production. The reality is that the government or government elites own and control everything.
    Your idea would not be socialist. That would be neo-fascist. They are opposing ideas. The fact that socialist is not necessarily an authoritarian government is beyond your understanding and many people who makes similar arguments.
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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.

    Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.



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    Hmmm, that argument doesn't work either.

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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Two friends of mine started a cave diving light business in the garage. They worked extremely hard for the past 17 years to develop, build, advertise, sell, ship, repair and continue to develop products. They built up staff. They moved through 3 manufacturing facilities. At this point, I doubt their business will grow beyond their current location and the number of staff they have. Why should their staff own any of their blood, sweat, tears and family sacrifice just because they specialize in a job and sometimes don't feel motivated to work? If you don't like getting paid X then open your own company. My friends had been employees at another dive gear business when they decided to go off on their own. They built a great life for their wives and kids through long hours and total dedication. They now are a major scuba gear manufacturer.

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    Re: Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

    Capitalism itself isn't the problem. Unbridled Capitalism means that your person who creates something to sell is also paying slave wages in order to amass great wealth. Then this entrepreneur pays off the politicians...(just like the person who paid off the politicians before our entrepreneur ..in order to keep wages low and pay less taxes then he should. That's part of the reason why we have the greatest wealth gap in the world.
    Capitalism is not evil. It's the sociopaths that make it evil. It's the governments job to keep the Asshole-sharks from eating all the fish. I'm all for someone getting wealthy but not on MY damn back and hard work.

    I feel so much better now that I've completely given up hope.

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