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Tell the truth, Democrats: Do you really plan to vote for Biden as he continues to decline?

lwf said:
The difference is: No one really knew what kind of president Trump was going to be in 2016. We all had our suspicions of course, but by and large most people were still crossing their fingers hoping for the best and that he wasn't just talking out of his ass. In spite of his celebrity status, he was mostly a fresh face politically speaking. Fast forward to 2020 and Trump's competence as president is now a known quantity. "Do I want 4 more years of this?" will be foremost on the minds of voters. Trump is now in a similar position that Hillary was in 2016, but with far more baggage hanging over his reelection campaign than she had. (And she had a lot.)
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We will likely have two well known candidates to choose from but with only one of them wanting to allow us to keep driving affordable cars/trucks.
 
braindrain said:
So because a political party elected an idiot you have completly changed all your political beliefs and became the opposite of what you used to be.

Sorry but that's simply not believable. So which major policy issues of the GOP did you used to support.

And furthermore the GOP didn't let Trump become the frontrunner the voters made him that.
I supposed the GOP could have done more like the democrats and rigged the system and screwed their members but I don't see that as a good option either.
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Are you aware that the voters that picked this man in the primary over 12 other candidates, were REPUBLICAN voters. They literally are the GOP. When Amelia says the GOP let Trump become the frontrunner, its because the GOP voters let Trump become the frontrunner. Matter of fact the GOP virtually insisted on it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We will likely have two well known candidates to choose from but with only one of them wanting to allow us to keep driving affordable cars/trucks.
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I'll assume you're referring to the Democrat, since Trump's standards will have you filling your tank constantly.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I'd take a Warren, a Bernie or even a Yang over a Biden, but he certainly can't be as bad as Trump. My vote's locked in for whichever Democrat gets the nomination this time around, even if I'm very much a pastisan primary voter right now.
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To be clear, my Biden reference was a response to OP’s opening comment. I’m undecided at this point, but regardless of who the Dems nominate next year, he/she will have my vote.
 
Amelia said:
I'm not a Democrat. I was a Republican until the GOP let Trump become their frontrunner for the presidential nomination.

Since then I have had no party but because Trump turned out so much worse than I ever imagined possible, I will vote for whomever the Democrats nominate.

Period.
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My thoughts exactly. I really have nothing to add other than, though I have voted republican in the past, I am not a republican. I have voted democrat in the past too. Neither am I democrat. It just so happens, at this point in time, the republicans are not very appealing to me. Or, that is to say, they appear more unappealing to me than the democrats do. And this is, for the most part, seeded by DJT and the republicans that still support him. They have blemished the GOP party for many years to come.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We will likely have two well known candidates to choose from but with only one of them wanting to allow us to keep driving affordable cars/trucks.
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Is that the same one who doesn’t know jack **** about the automotive industry or CAFE standards? The one who ignorantly said (paraphrasing) heavier all steel cars are safer than the newer ones that crunch up like paper machete?
 
ocean515 said:
It's not phony Tom.

It's proven.

Why waste so much time and energy on nonsense like this?
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Because it’s an accurate reflection of your hypocrisy.

BTW, I never questioned the fact that the party was using super delegates to push Clinton over the top. Primaries are controlled by the parties, and they set whatever rules they wanted.
 
Cardinal said:
What republicans fail to grasp is that trump and his followers have invested so much time and energy into making us hate them that we would vote for pretty much anybody and anything over him. That’s why all their criticism regarding any Democratic candidate is a pointless waste of their time.
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Seriously. The minority of America who thinks Trump's **** doesn't stink are tickled to death at how Trump makes the majority of America's heads explode. A large number of that Trump-adoring minority say that's the best thing about Trump.

But after the effort they and Trump put into going as low as they could possibly go without slam-dunk breaking the law, how do they think that the majority whom they worked so hard to enrage won't go to the polls to give Trump what Trump has worked so hard to earn?

How do they think that Trump can bankrupt farmers and still keep those tiny margins that he won farming states with to put him over the top in the Electoral College?


Trump has worked hard to be despised and Trump supporters have gleefully rubbed it in that someone the majority of the country hates is president. "Ha ha, Turmp is president, nothing you can do about it," has been their attitude. How do they think we won't do something about it in 2020?

We've seen what Trump is willing to do when he still needs to the votes of the farmers and manufactures who have born the brunt of his trade wars. Do you think those farmers and manufacturers haven't thought about what kind of damage Trump would be willing to do to them in another four year term when he doesn't need their votes anymore? Do Trump's hardcore supporters think that after what Trump did to farmers and blue collar workers that farmers and manufacturers are going to have the voter enthusiasm which will be needed to make up for the energy of the majority of the country that Trump has been working so hard to anger?
 
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I should have pointed out this flaw in the thread title. Biden is not in decline. He has always had these peculiar flubs in public speaking. I would not call them a feature as opposed to a bug. But they are a fact of Biden and have been a fact of Biden as long as he has been a politician.

Some people are endeared to Biden for them, much like Trumpettes think Trump is plain speaking when he regularly talks gibberish. Biden's flubs don't move me one way or the other. He is at the least a public servant which Trump could not be on his best day of faking it.
 
To Trump supporters calling me a liar when I say that I was a Republican until the GOP let Trump become their frontrunner ... here's my introduction to the forum back in 2014:

Hi

I don't have any interest in getting down into the weeds with people who so readily call me a liar, but here's one quote from that thread.


Amelia said:
Maybe I should call myself a moderate, but I'm hardcore Republican. Not moderate about it.
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In 2014, a lot of rightwing political forum posters (at other forums) called me a RINO. But at that time I still had planned to stay Republican until my dying day. I had toyed with leaving the GOP in the 1990's, but George Bush brought me back with his "compassionate conservatism." And I didn't want to be fickle. I was going to stay in the GOP and work from within. And I really didn't like Democrats. Strongly didn't like Democrats. Liked plenty of people who were Democrats but didn't like that they were Democrats.

But thanks to Trump and his supporters I went from someone who planned to be GOP for the rest of my life, someone whose lip curled at the word "Democrat", to someone who will now vote straight Democrat for the foreseeable future.


If the GOP had stayed the moderate party that it was when I was growing up, then I would have stayed moderate, and stayed GOP. But the GOP has become so allergic to investing in any part of America except the weapons industry, that they have necessitated leftwing solutions to help mend the social compact. Recognizing that is how I gradually moved from the rightleaning moderate that I was to someone who proudly calls herself progressive. And the GOP letting someone as detestable as Trump get anywhere close to being their frontrunner was one of the forces which gave me the shove I needed to liberate myself from the GOP jersey, which was already getting heavier to wear and harder to defend.
 
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Amelia said:
To Trump supporters calling me a liar when I say that I was a Republican until the GOP let Trump become their frontrunner ... here's my introduction to the forum back in 2014:

Hi

I don't have any interest in getting down into the weeds with people who so readily call me a liar, but here's one quote from that thread.






In 2014, a lot of rightwing political forum posters (at other forums) called me a RINO. But at that time I still had planned to stay Republican until my dying day. I had toyed with leaving the GOP in the 1990's, but George Bush brought me back with his "compassionate conservatism." And I didn't want to be fickle. I was going to stay in the GOP and work from within. And I really didn't like Democrats. Strongly didn't like Democrats. Liked plenty of people who were Democrats but didn't like that they were Democrats.

But thanks to Trump and his supporters I went from someone who planned to be GOP for the rest of my life, someone whose lip curled at the word "Democrat", to someone who will now vote straight Democrat for the foreseeable future.


If the GOP had stayed the moderate party that it was when I was growing up, then I would have stayed moderate, and stayed GOP. But the GOP has become so allergic to investing in any part of America except the weapons industry, that they have necessitated leftwing solutions to help mend the social compact. Recognizing that is how I gradually moved from the rightleaning moderate that I was to someone who proudly calls herself progressive. And the GOP letting someone as detestable as Trump get anywhere close to being their frontrunner was one of the forces which gave me the shove I needed to liberate myself from the GOP jersey, which was already getting heavier to wear and harder to defend.
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Ditto....

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Condor060 said:
I couldn't agree more. Biden has lost it.
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Here's the thing, though: Trump's brain is similarly decaying. POTUS should have a constitutional age maximum, not minimum!
 
Deuce said:
Here's the thing, though: Trump's brain is similarly decaying. POTUS should have a constitutional age maximum, not minimum!
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Sad isn't it that it seems the two most likely people to win the next election are two people obviously on the downhill slide
 
Irwin Corey said:
Well … OK … fair enough ... but I do.
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And you should. It’s not the governing or campaign document that it used to be. But you can hear the soft thread of Gucci loafers there, and they always bear watching, regardless of party!
 
TomFitz said:
Because it’s an accurate reflection of your hypocrisy.

BTW, I never questioned the fact that the party was using super delegates to push Clinton over the top. Primaries are controlled by the parties, and they set whatever rules they wanted.
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No, it's just made up unrelated nonsense. There is no hypocrisy.

The old DNC openly worked to suppress candidates giving the anointed one any competition. That's in irrefutable fact. Debbie Wasserman Shultz was forced to resign as the old DNC chair after email leaks revealed the old DNC's way of treating it's voters and their candidates.

Bizarre you would try to deny it.
 
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