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Trump deploys troops to Saudi Arabia

SonOfDaedalus

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U.S. to deploy military forces to Saudi Arabia after drone attacks on oil sites

The United States is deploying military forces to the Middle East after Saturday's drone attacks on major oil sites in Saudi Arabia that the administration of President Donald Trump has blamed on Iran.

"The president has approved the deployment of U.S. forces which will be defensive in nature and primarily focused on air and missile defense," U.S. Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said at a news conference Friday.

Esper did not say how many troops would be sent, but said they would be primarily focused on air and missile defenses.
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Maybe we can just move them from Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
U.S. to deploy military forces to Saudi Arabia after drone attacks on oil sites




Maybe we can just move them from Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia.
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Sending troops to Saudi Arabia is the only option Trump had since he boxed himself into a corner by threatening an attack on Iran but Iran scared the **** out of him by saying it would be all-out war if he dared. Trump had to do something so sending troops to help with the messy cleanup in Saudi Arabia is the most he can do.
 
About these BS threads today of no more US lives at risk over Middle East oil.
 
HumblePi said:
Sending troops to Saudi Arabia is the only option Trump had since he boxed himself into a corner by threatening an attack on Iran but Iran scared the **** out of him by saying it would be all-out war if he dared. Trump had to do something so sending troops to help with the messy cleanup in Saudi Arabia is the most he can do.
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When did Trump threaten an attack on Iran? I must have missed that.
 
This does actually represent a sensible approach if the goal is training up the Saudis to defend their own airspace, something they are clearly not capable of doing today. But if the goal is to just put US defensive forces on the ground on an open ended basis, that would not be a good idea.

The Saudi's have earned a reputation for being willing to hold our coats and fight to the last American. I would be very wary of that tendency and make sure we are there to train, not actually provide long term defense forces. That could turn ugly in due time as any military conflict with Iran will not be a military conflict in the conventional sense. Iran will fight it as a war outside their borders and drive us absolutely out of our minds in the process. See the Saudi raid to the 3rd power. Proxy wars will flair up all over the place.

Trump has been overplaying his hand. Ripping up the JCPOA was a monster mistake. Insisting on going it alone has taken what could have been a strong US hand and turned it into a weak one. That is so in the Middle East generally and most specifically with regard to Iran. The Saudi raid shows that as much as it shows how feeble the Saudis are at defending their own airspace. Iran on the other hand had played a relatively weak hand well and has outmaneuvered DonDon in the process.
 
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HumblePi said:
Sending troops to Saudi Arabia is the only option Trump had since he boxed himself into a corner by threatening an attack on Iran but Iran scared the **** out of him by saying it would be all-out war if he dared. Trump had to do something so sending troops to help with the messy cleanup in Saudi Arabia is the most he can do.
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The problems we have with Iran is a direct result of him pulling us out of the Iran deal. It's his mess.

We have no Iran deal and no North Korea deal. He was so boastful about his ability to make deals.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
The problems we have with Iran is a direct result of him pulling us out of the Iran deal. It's his mess.

We have no Iran deal and no North Korea deal. He was so boastful about his ability to make deals.
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He pulled out of the Iran deal to spite Obama.

If you think the endless war in Afghanistan is a terrible waste, look into the mess that Saddam got into when he attacked Iran. They had kids in suicide banzai charges against the Iraqis. You can't wing against Iran in a conventional war.
 
I guess I missed it when Saudia Arabia getting attacked in a war they've been engaging in somehow became America's problem...
 
Mycroft said:
When did Trump threaten an attack on Iran? I must have missed that.
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You know for how much you hang on to his every word, or defend him, you don't seem to pay attention all that much to what he says and does.
 
 
NeverTrump said:
You know for how much you hang on to his every word, or defend him, you don't seem to pay attention all that much to what he says and does.
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shrug...

So help me out, eh? Give me the quote.

(or move on)
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
The problems we have with Iran is a direct result of him pulling us out of the Iran deal. It's his mess.

We have no Iran deal and no North Korea deal. He was so boastful about his ability to make deals.
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Really? And you know this how? The Obama (cash deal) with Iran was a disgrace. Rightfully terminated

-VySky
 
VySky said:
Really? And you know this how? The Obama (cash deal) with Iran was a disgrace. Rightfully terminated

-VySky
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Ok, the Iran deal was a disgrace. Whatever. Look how wonderful things are now.

Obama proposed a solution. You guys ripped it up and have absolutely no solution. Good job.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Ok, the Iran deal was a disgrace. Whatever. Look how wonderful things are now.

Obama proposed a solution. You guys ripped it up and have absolutely no solution. Good job.
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You don't negotiate with terrorist. And for the record, neither should Mr Trump. I don't agree with everything he does

-VySky
 
VySky said:
Really? And you know this how? The Obama (cash deal) with Iran was a disgrace. Rightfully terminated

-VySky
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There was no "cash deal". We simply unfroze THIER money. It was never OUR money. It was Iran's money.

Oh yea....ripping up the JCPOA has worked out great hasn't it!!!!

Let me have some of what you are drinking. Must be stiffer than straight bourbon because I could drink straight bourbon all day every day and not find my way to the nonsense trumpettes spew about the JCPOA.
 
Mycroft said:
When did Trump threaten an attack on Iran? I must have missed that.
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Oh you kind of forgot that Trump claimed that the U.S. was "locked and loaded" and what else does that mean other than preparing to attack Iran? Then we had Mike Pompeo declaring that the attack on Saudi Arabia was an "act of war". In what world does that not sound like a threat?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Ok, the Iran deal was a disgrace. Whatever. Look how wonderful things are now.

Obama proposed a solution. You guys ripped it up and have absolutely no solution. Good job.
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No one wants direct conflict with Iran because they know it will be an absolute crap show and destabilize the region even further. While the Iran deal was far from perfect, it at least provided some oversight versus the zero oversight we have no. Then, of course, this administration saw Europe work against the US. Now the US is essentially alone (with the exception of Saudi Arabia and Israel) and would not likely be able to build a coalition in the event of an armed conflict. The other Arab states are staying out of this mess, and without any real long term recourse, this administration has become a paper tiger. Everyone is confident the US isn't going to start a war because they're relying on Trump's promise of not getting the US in another foreign conflict, plus he's going into a re-election campaign.
 
VySky said:
You don't negotiate with terrorist. And for the record, neither should Mr Trump. I don't agree with everything he does

-VySky
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Trump is not negotiating with Iran. He was never negotiating with Iran. So you should be tickled pink.
 
HumblePi said:
Oh you kind of forgot that Trump claimed that the U.S. was "locked and loaded" and what else does that mean other than preparing to attack Iran? Then we had Mike Pompeo declaring that the attack on Saudi Arabia was an "act of war". In what world does that not sound like a threat?
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Locked and loaded to do what? Did he say?

Come on...give me the quote where Trump threatens to attack Iran...if you have it.

If not, then your thread is a waste of space.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Ok, the Iran deal was a disgrace. Whatever. Look how wonderful things are now.

Obama proposed a solution. You guys ripped it up and have absolutely no solution. Good job.
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The Iran deal was not a disgrace. It was at its least common denominator a road back from the hate WE and the rest of the West engendered in the Iranians in the 50's by raping their country and topping it off by the US installing the tyrannical despot, the Shaw of Iran, our boy on the scene. The Iranians have hated us from that day to this because of what we did in and to that country in the 50's.

We did not care. We wanted their oil and we did not care what we did to get it. We totally underestimated them. Iran is old Persia. They are not just some camel jockeys that we can push around....unlike the Saudi's who under similar circumstances simply lifted their robes, turned around and allowed themselves to be willingly bent over the desk by us....happy to do it which by the way is why the Iranians have utter distain for the Saudis.

The JCPOA was not simply a nuke deal. It could have provided the framework to a road back from hate and terror of the West by Iran. Now DonDon has blown that entirely away. Probably be another 50 years before Iran has any interest in even thinking about trusting us again and being anything but a thorn in the side of the West. Smooth DonDon....real smooth.
 
Mycroft said:
Locked and loaded to do what? Did he say?

Come on...give me the quote where Trump threatens to attack Iran...if you have it.

If not, then your thread is a waste of space.
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Don't you ever listen or watch the news?

US dials back Iran rhetoric and seeks 'peaceful resolution' over Saudi attack | US news | The Guardian

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, has said Washington and its allies were seeking a “peaceful resolution” with Iran in the wake of the attack on Saudi oil facilities, making clear that Washington would limit its initial response to further sanctions.

Pompeo’s remarks, made on his return trip to Washington after visits to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, mark a significant cooling of rhetoric after Donald Trump had warned the US was “locked and loaded” and Pompeo had said the attack, which he blamed on Iran, was “an act of war”.

What the hell else does "locked and loaded" mean?

Pence says US is 'locked and loaded' to defend allies | TheHill

Vice President Pence said Tuesday the United States is “locked and loaded” to defend America’s allies in response to an attack on oil sites in Saudi Arabia.

Pence, echoing remarks made by President Trump the day prior, said the Trump administration doesn’t want to go to war with anyone but remains prepared to defend its allies.

“In the wake of this unprovoked attack, I promise you, we’re ready,” Pence said at the Heritage Foundation at the outset of an address focused on trade. “We’re locked and loaded and we’re ready to defend the interests of our allies. Make no mistake about it.”
 
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