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Nearly Half Of The US Homeless Live In California

Can we say spin? This thread is about homelessness in California and how it is worse there than anywhere else and how they don't fix the problem. The homelessness in California is not created by Kentucky. It is created by California.

Kentucky is the fourth worst parasite state in the union. That is a fact. California is the single biggest source of federal tax dollars. That is also a fact. So again, before I continue this discussion, first say thank you for all the money we give to your broken state.
 
Kentucky is the fourth worst parasite state in the union. That is a fact. California is the single biggest source of federal tax dollars. That is also a fact. So again, before I continue this discussion, first say thank you for all the money we give to your broken state.

You can't let facts influence what you believe.

Political rhetoric > facts. And it isn't even close.
 
Blah blah blah. Are you a broken record? California is a very deep blue liberal state with liberal policies and liberal laws. They are the blueprint for liberalism and the fight against income inequality and yet they are the poster child for being the worst offender of income inequality. They can fix it as a state if they wanted to but they know they can't because liberal policies don't work and it is just easier to blame it on the feds and the Republicans instead of fixing the problem themselves.

Your one dimensional view of the issue doesn't get us any closer to solving homelessness or income inequality. Its more complicated than simply "liberalism bad". This crisis was caused by economics, not ideology. The truth, as ever, resists oversimplification.
 
It is liberal policies that create the homeless and the only thing they do is double down on their failed policies and wonder why the problem keeps getting worse.

Right, so what do smug, 'I got mine, screw them' conservatives do to alleviate the homeless problem in their states? Whine about 'personal responsibility' and 'poor life choices', that's what.
 
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Kentucky is the fourth worst parasite state in the union. That is a fact. California is the single biggest source of federal tax dollars. That is also a fact. So again, before I continue this discussion, first say thank you for all the money we give to your broken state.

Broken? With America's biggest economic contribution? Hardly.
 
But but but the reason for failed liberal policies is not going far enough. The solution for failed liberal policies is to double down on what didn't work and if that doesn't work, double down again. And again.

That's the major problem with leftists. They don't learn the first time so they repeat the same expecting different results.
 
LOL. Now, I wonder how many of the places you mentioned are Republican.

Why do you think it matters? They're all American.
What's wrong with you guys? So fringin' partisan It's gotten toxic. You hear about a mass shooting ferchristsake and immediately start to bicker about who the shooter voted for. Don't you hear yourself? Do you seriously believe that the Democratic party encourages homelessness? That's about as stupid as it gets.
 
LOL. So, let's send all the homeless to Cal.

Fine. Provide increased HUD funds for housing after restoring the cuts Trump made and we and other similar liberal states will deal with them as the good Americans we are.
 
Um no... Just took a while for the Dems open border policy to have an impact post Arnie

-VySky

Illegals can't vote and don't vote. We already studied this and the snipe hunt commission found nada. Can I say nada?
 
The homeless go to temperate climates. In Feb its deadly to be living on the streets in NYC or Boston. Thus they go to warmer climates. In addition California has some of the highest realestate and rental prices. Think about it, use some common sense instead of bashing those that govern CA.

Nice try. Havent you figured out by reading this thread that some conservative folks don't want solutions - other than the discussion about hiring some of the employable homeless - just straw men to attack California. The problem is a complex one, involving everything from the weather to mental illness to cuts in HUD to California's extraordinary prosperity and its effect on housing to income inequality. Therefore it is a natural for demagogic proposals. Today, for example, it was reported that renowned enviornmental extremist Donald Trump will sic the EPA on San Francisco because of needles flowing into SF Bay, when we are apparently the only city in the area that treats storm water. Great deadpan line in the article, "It was unclear if he cited any evidence or facts during his remarks." Why start now?
 
And the only way to return to that is to decentralize much of the federal government. The more power and involvement the federal government becomes the worse it is going to get. Increased power and scope of the federal government is the steroid put into tribalism as it then becomes all important to have "my" guy ruling the country as opposed to "theirs". If the federal government was largely there to just protect the rights of the people and focus on foreign policy we would have much less division and more importantly less wars abroad as that would be the key policies elected into office. Sometimes it seems as if much of the division on domestic policy is intentionally instigated in order to divert attention away from the horrors our government enacts overseas.

There are too many flaws in that logic to take all of them apart but I want to hit the big ones if possible.
Increased power and scope of the federal government became necessary when state and local governments like the ones in your state started intentionally looking the other way when organized terror groups began committing genocide on minorities, charging them poll taxes, instituting terror programs intended to scare them away from voting at all, and even killing voter registration workers.

The federal government WAS THERE to "protect the rights of the people"...the people YOUR people were burning, bombing and just plain murdering in the streets. The federal government had to be called down to MS to quell an insurgency, plain and simple, an insurgency that operated with the tacit blessing of local and state officials, who then stepped up and loudly proclaimed their intention to escalate it further.

So, let's just be honest about it.
If the ultimatum that your people are leaving on our doorstep says in so many words that the federal government had better allow your people to behave in that manner with impunity "OR ELSE"...
Then we've arrived at the moment where your people in Mississippi are about to get another large dose of "OR ELSE".
You will not contravene the spirit or letter of the law with regard to human rights, civil rights, voting rights.
You will not contravene the spirit or letter of the law with regard to a whole host of laws that apply to all persons in this country.
If that means you're ready to go to war over your rebellion against these laws, then so be it.

Good luck.

This has absolutely nothing to do with our wars overseas. Federal intervention in the Deep South had nothing to do with foreign policy, it had to do with domestic policy, domestic policy which your people insist does not apply to them.
Well, hate to inform you, it does. And it wasn't brought to bear to divert attention from anything.
Your actions several decades ago were designed to divert attention away from the horrors your people enacted on fellow Americans. And your people appear to be attempting to practice the same diversion today.

But most importantly, this "decentralized" government you speak of had its heyday.
It was the Articles of Confederation, which was deemed a failure by the founders, and replaced with the democratic constitutional republic we have today, which consists of a union, one which you apparently seek to break for the second time in our history.

States are not more powerful than the federal government.
They were in the days of the Articles of Confederation, but they are not now, and they never will be.
I'm not saying that gives the feds unlimited license or omnipotence, but I am saying that the relationship as defined makes it clear that states are a part of something larger than themselves, and while much power is indeed delegated to the states, in the end we are not a ragtag collection of sovereign fiefdoms, we are a single country.

Out of many, one. E pluribus unum.
If Mississippi and the rest of the states in Dixie believe that they have the numbers to bust that up, go for it.

Good luck.
 
Here is my guess. It may have something to do with the weather. Chasing the dream, finding out the expense, staying where the weather is nice, regardless. Sad, but regardless, this shouldn't be a partisan issue but a human one.
 
There are too many flaws in that logic to take all of them apart but I want to hit the big ones if possible.
Increased power and scope of the federal government became necessary when state and local governments like the ones in your state started intentionally looking the other way when organized terror groups began committing genocide on minorities, charging them poll taxes, instituting terror programs intended to scare them away from voting at all, and even killing voter registration workers.

The federal government WAS THERE to "protect the rights of the people"...the people YOUR people were burning, bombing and just plain murdering in the streets. The federal government had to be called down to MS to quell an insurgency, plain and simple, an insurgency that operated with the tacit blessing of local and state officials, who then stepped up and loudly proclaimed their intention to escalate it further.

So, let's just be honest about it.
If the ultimatum that your people are leaving on our doorstep says in so many words that the federal government had better allow your people to behave in that manner with impunity "OR ELSE"...
Then we've arrived at the moment where your people in Mississippi are about to get another large dose of "OR ELSE".
You will not contravene the spirit or letter of the law with regard to human rights, civil rights, voting rights.
You will not contravene the spirit or letter of the law with regard to a whole host of laws that apply to all persons in this country.
If that means you're ready to go to war over your rebellion against these laws, then so be it.

Good luck.

This has absolutely nothing to do with our wars overseas. Federal intervention in the Deep South had nothing to do with foreign policy, it had to do with domestic policy, domestic policy which your people insist does not apply to them.
Well, hate to inform you, it does. And it wasn't brought to bear to divert attention from anything.
Your actions several decades ago were designed to divert attention away from the horrors your people enacted on fellow Americans. And your people appear to be attempting to practice the same diversion today.

But most importantly, this "decentralized" government you speak of had its heyday.
It was the Articles of Confederation, which was deemed a failure by the founders, and replaced with the democratic constitutional republic we have today, which consists of a union, one which you apparently seek to break for the second time in our history.

States are not more powerful than the federal government.
They were in the days of the Articles of Confederation, but they are not now, and they never will be.
I'm not saying that gives the feds unlimited license or omnipotence, but I am saying that the relationship as defined makes it clear that states are a part of something larger than themselves, and while much power is indeed delegated to the states, in the end we are not a ragtag collection of sovereign fiefdoms, we are a single country.

Out of many, one. E pluribus unum.
If Mississippi and the rest of the states in Dixie believe that they have the numbers to bust that up, go for it.

Good luck.

Lol, This might be the largest strawman post on record.

Edit: Also, my views are largely in line with what the founders intended for the country.
 
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Here is my guess. It may have something to do with the weather. Chasing the dream, finding out the expense, staying where the weather is nice, regardless. Sad, but regardless, this shouldn't be a partisan issue but a human one.

Absolutely. A great many people have an imaginary view of California which, although exciting, isn't always realistic.
One of the main industries here is the manufacture of fantasy via mass media, in the form of entertainment.
Tragically, not everyone get that it is entertainment.
So they come here with their dreams, and as often happens, those dreams get shattered.

I am not saying this with derision or mockery in my voice, not one iota.
It is tragic, it is oftentimes very tragic, and all too real.
This state sings a siren song which attracts people who dream, and unfortunately a great many of those dreams have no basis in reality. We are not the only state which has a hand in this. New York, so called "The Big Apple", is also famous for "If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere." (Sinatra!) It is famous for Broadway, famous for Wall Street.
All of that is just another version of fame, fortune and stardom. These states sell a vision of fame, fortune and stardom, and people are naturally attracted to those visions.

And the simple fact is, there is a lot of collateral damage.
For many, California, New York, and some other places are regarded as places where one might lead an enchanted life if one hits all the right boxes and makes all the right moves.
Sadly, for too many, these places wind up being the "Boulevard of Broken Dreams".
 
Lol, This might be the largest strawman post on record.

Edit: Also, my views are largely in line with what the founders intended for the country.

That calls for a separate thread, where we can argue Madison, Hamilton et al.

And if there's any straw, refute it.
 
The article makes no sense. El Salvador is where a great many illegals are coming from, so it makes perfect sense for the governor to go there, in an effort to get a better handle on WHY THEY ARE LEAVING El Salvador.
Newsom wants specifics, so that specific solutions can be arrived at.

The NAME of the country, El Salvador, means "salvation" (or "saviour") in Catalan, Spanish, and Portuguese.
Obviously there ISN'T very much "salvation" in the land of El Salvador, and perhaps if Newsom can arrive at solutions, maybe El Salvador can manage to keep more people home.

PS: Trump thinks he's helping?

Excuse me, but how the holy **** does CUTTING OFF aid help?
Search me, because it sure as Hell seems like Trump wants EVEN MORE Salvadorans streaming across our border, so his buddies who own all those private prisons can warehouse them for extra $$$.

How does one do that? Well, cutting off a half billion in aid is a great start!

Does it matter why they come? Not to me. **** hole countries are a creation of the citizens of that country. We have enough problems, I don't want to see my taxes subsidize illegal border crossings. And that is what the great Newsom is trying to do. Fix your own problems Gavin, there are many. Stay home Gavin and represent your constituents.
 

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Lunacy, dishonesty and partisan hackery. Obama is not using mind control worms from space to make people become homeless to use as "ammunition." Why on Earth would you think such a thing?

ha ha And Obama didn't see fit to do anything about Chicago except give a billion dollars transportation money to his cronies in Chicago just before he left office. Seems the mind worms were working for many of his supporters. See no evil, hear no evil. Feeling well are you?
 
That calls for a separate thread, where we can argue Madison, Hamilton et al.

And if there's any straw, refute it.

Well I specifically stated that I believe that the role of the federal government should be to protect the rights of the people and leaving the rest to the states. Your entire post is a dishonest attempt to associate me with the Confederacy and imply that what I really want is to take away the rights of American citizens which is the complete opposite of my position.
 
Leftists are in the process of fashioning Kalifornia into a socialistic paradise. Can't you tell? :)

This is what socialism is. You have the elites, and skid row. The middle class are fleeing the state, or being taxed into poverty.

I think that is called 'wealth disparity', which is a substantially consequence of our tax code and our value system.

The other half of the homeless problem in California is actually too many uber wealthy people driving up costs to make it very difficult to live in California. The wealth disparity in the US is actually worse than that of Haiti. Nowhere are the effects of the disparity as acute as in California.

Fix wealth disparity and we fix homelessness.
 
Does it matter why they come? Not to me.
Then you have no basis to debate the subject.
You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
Stop posting troll bait filled with false information.
 
Well I specifically stated that I believe that the role of the federal government should be to protect the rights of the people and leaving the rest to the states. Your entire post is a dishonest attempt to associate me with the Confederacy and imply that what I really want is to take away the rights of American citizens which is the complete opposite of my position.

No, I am reacquainting YOU with the reasons WHY the feds imposed their will upon the people of YOUR state, some of which agree with YOUR very nearly quasi-anarchist beliefs. While you may not have directly involved yourself, the "collective you" (people in MS who think Uncle Sam should not meddle with the way they run things down there) did engage in behavior bad enough to get Uncle Sam involved, behavior which DID deprive people of their rights.
The courts intervened as well, and many people went to prison, some for life, for their actions.

THE LAW RULED AGAINST THEM. THE LAW...

Uncle Sam did exactly what they were supposed to do, protect the rights of THOSE people, the ones that way too many Mississippians saw fit to destroy.
And if you believe in a very weak federal government that basically runs the military and little else, you've given a big fat green light to more of the same, which will not be tolerated. Mississippi and a great many other Dixie states earned the kind of involvement from the feds by behaving that way.

I don't remember how old you are but I was very much alive while that stuff was happening in real time.
Maybe you're just not aware of how bad it got.

Leave the rest to the states? Sorry, we saw what happened when we "left THE REST (ALL of the rest) to the states".
Some states went way too far.

You in Mississippi have no one to blame but yourselves. We cannot have a country where a group of people are deprived of their rights because a bunch of folks don't consider them human.

If you're not in that bunch, then you should not defend their views, because the whole "Lost Cause/States Rights" argument is a thin veneer for "states rights to oppress certain people".
 
No, I am reacquainting YOU with the reasons WHY the feds imposed their will upon the people of YOUR state, some of which agree with YOUR very nearly quasi-anarchist beliefs. While you may not have directly involved yourself, the "collective you" (people in MS who think Uncle Sam should not meddle with the way they run things down there) did engage in behavior bad enough to get Uncle Sam involved, behavior which DID deprive people of their rights.
The courts intervened as well, and many people went to prison, some for life, for their actions.

THE LAW RULED AGAINST THEM. THE LAW...

Uncle Sam did exactly what they were supposed to do, protect the rights of THOSE people, the ones that way too many Mississippians saw fit to destroy.
And if you believe in a very weak federal government that basically runs the military and little else, you've given a big fat green light to more of the same, which will not be tolerated. Mississippi and a great many other Dixie states earned the kind of involvement from the feds by behaving that way.

I don't remember how old you are but I was very much alive while that stuff was happening in real time.
Maybe you're just not aware of how bad it got.

Leave the rest to the states? Sorry, we saw what happened when we "left THE REST (ALL of the rest) to the states".
Some states went way too far.

You in Mississippi have no one to blame but yourselves. We cannot have a country where a group of people are deprived of their rights because a bunch of folks don't consider them human.

If you're not in that bunch, then you should not defend their views, because the whole "Lost Cause/States Rights" argument is a thin veneer for "states rights to oppress certain people".

Again, nothing in your post is relevant to my position. You are arguing against a ghost of a Confederate.
 
Again, nothing in your post is relevant to my position. You are arguing against a ghost of a Confederate.

I might not be arguing with a Confederate at all but you live in a former Confederate state, and you're using the same arguments Confederates used when they first objected to federal involvement.
And they've been using those same arguments ever since.

Hearing those arguments repeated over and over again is like being forced to watch "Mississippi Burning" over and over again.
Everything in my argument is relative to your position, because your position is one of support for getting the federal government to step away from the manner in which states like yours run themselves.

I've made my position very clear. States which cannot or will not follow federal law must be compelled to do so.
I've made it very clear that we tried the laissez-faire approach already.
I've made it very clear that history teaches us that the laissez-faire approach resulted in conduct which proved detrimental to large numbers of people.

States rights is mostly sham, mostly because the criteria that attempts to justify it is often sham, and at any rate, it appears that support for states rights is often uneven or even hypocritical, or tied to a double standard.

We in California were just told that OUR "states rights" don't count, yes? Well guess what?
 
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