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ttwtt78640 said:
Scary black rifles are rarely used to commit crime. If the reason for taking an item off of the menu is that criminals occasionally abuse that item then all guns could be taken off of the menu for that same reason. After all, the VT mass shooter managed to kill 32 people using only handguns (the gun of choice by most criminals). Obviously, if scary black rifles could be banned for their criminal abuse potential then so could handguns.
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The AR15 and AK47 are potentially being banned because of their use in mass killings of innocent people.
 
Thoreau72 said:
What about the truth seekers? Will we like it or not?

What about the credulous public? Will it like it?
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I do not follow your line of questioning.
 
haymarket said:
The AR15 and AK47 are potentially being banned because of their use in mass killings of innocent people.
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Yep, that is my point. Banning a type of gun based entirely on its criminal abuse is precisely what I object to. Why does it make sense to ban a type of gun simply because criminals choose to abuse that type of gun? Handguns are clearly abused by criminals much more often, and claiming a much higher total victim count, than rifles of any type - so why should anyone expect the gun banners to be content to settle with banning only some scary black rifles?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, that is my point. Banning a type of gun based entirely on its criminal abuse is precisely what I object to. Why does it make sense to ban a type of gun simply because criminals choose to abuse that type of gun? Handguns are clearly abused by criminals much more often, and claiming a much higher total victim count, than rifles of any type - so why should anyone expect the gun banners to be content to settle with banning only some scary black rifles?
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So this argument is another that comes from the intersection of Slippery Slope Street and Paranoia Place?
 
haymarket said:
So this argument is another that comes from the intersection of Slippery Slope Street and Paranoia Place?
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If that is how you choose to address establishing a legal precedent, then yes.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The problem with your poisition is: since criminal A abused gun type X it is cause to ban all guns of type X. When will that argument ever cease to be used? Likely when criminal abuse of guns stops or all types of guns are banned.
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A gun ban can be reversed if it doesn't work. A murdered child is dead forever.
 
"And there are plenty of firearm penalties and restrictions too." Obviously not enough.
 
TurtleDude said:
what are you talking about-the killer is dead. if he had been captured, there were plenty of things that could have been done
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Do nothing as in do nothing to change the situation that makes America the deadliest country in the world (peacetime) for citizens killed by guns.
 
WCH said:
If you don't know, you're too far gone.
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Oh, you are claiming children are being aborted. Wrong scientifically, wrong grammatically and wrong morally.
 
WCH said:
Not hardly


Florida School Shooting Is Reminder Of High Rate Of Gun Violence Deaths In U.S. : Goats and Soda : NPR
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Please note that all the countries you try to show as being deadlier is on a per 100k population. My reference to deadliest referred to total deaths by gun violence. I was not clear about that, let me try again. Do nothing as in do nothing to change the situation that makes America the deadliest country (in terms of total deaths) in the world (peacetime) for citizens killed by guns.
 
WCH said:
Right.... abortion is morally wrong.
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That is not what I said, I said using children in a screed about abortion is morally wrong. It makes people think pro-life people care about children after they are born. Their actions don't make that argument.
 
haymarket said:
1.) The NRA membership gives us a decent indicator of who belongs to gun culture.
2.) I know lots of people who own guns and they most definitely are NOT part of the gun culture. I know that and I suspect you know that also.
3.) My definition would definitely NOT apply to every hunter or gun owner. In fact, it applies to a small minority of them.

4.) The nation needs steps to be taken like
4a.) universal background checks on all weapons purchase and transfers
4b.) banning of the military style weapons
4c.) banning of high capacity magazines
4d.) demystifying the gun and the culture surrounding it that glorifies it
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AGENT J said:
1.) based on what, im trying to understand your made-up term
2.) I dont know that because its something thats made up
3.) and im asking what/who that small minority is, you say its small but so far your descriptions could apply to millions and millions

4a.) i have no issue with back ground checks
4b.) what is a military style weapon, this is another made up vague term, its probably something i dont support because of that and it wont fix anything.
4c.) what is a high capacity "magazine" . . . .another thing i probably dont support unless you are talking like something huge. And also this wont do anything real
4d.) since you havent defined gun culture i dont see how any of that would demystify anything. How does any of that make gun culture (whatever that is) easier to understand because you cant even do it when directly asked.
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Crickets!
 
mrjurrs said:
Do nothing as in do nothing to change the situation that makes America the deadliest country in the world (peacetime) for citizens killed by guns.
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you're telling lies. Many other countries have far higher rates of gunshot murders and if you get rid of a few of the Democrat run counties (like LA, the one that contains Baltimore, Cook County, Illinois, and DC) our rate of gun violence is rather low
 
AGENT J said:
Crickets!
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All my points stand unchallenged.

Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
1.) based on what, im trying to understand your made-up term
2.) I dont know that because its something thats made up
3.) and im asking what/who that small minority is, you say its small but so far your descriptions could apply to millions and millions

4a.) i have no issue with back ground checks
4b.) what is a military style weapon, this is another made up vague term, its probably something i dont support because of that and it wont fix anything.
4c.) what is a high capacity "magazine" . . . .another thing i probably dont support unless you are talking like something huge. And also this wont do anything real
4d.) since you havent defined gun culture i dont see how any of that would demystify anything. How does any of that make gun culture (whatever that is) easier to understand because you cant even do it when directly asked.
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1. asked and previously answered
2. asked and answered
3. the small minority is the gun culture - I already went over that.
4b - already explained and examples given
4c - over ten shot magazines
4d - asked and answered
 
mrjurrs said:
That is not what I said, I said using children in a screed about abortion is morally wrong. It makes people think pro-life people care about children after they are born. Their actions don't make that argument.
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You're just full of leftist rhetoric, aren't you?

If you're going to point fingers at everyone who supports the 2nd amendment as responsible for mass shootings then, take responsibility for your ideology's support for ceasing lives through abortion.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Scary black rifles are rarely used to commit crime. If the reason for taking an item off of the menu is that criminals occasionally abuse that item then all guns could be taken off of the menu for that same reason. After all, the VT mass shooter managed to kill 32 people using only handguns (the gun of choice by most criminals). Obviously, if scary black rifles could be banned for their criminal abuse potential then so could handguns.
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mrjurrs said:
Please note that all the countries you try to show as being deadlier is on a per 100k population. My reference to deadliest referred to total deaths by gun violence. I was not clear about that, let me try again. Do nothing as in do nothing to change the situation that makes America the deadliest country (in terms of total deaths) in the world (peacetime) for citizens killed by guns.
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We are the deadliest of any first world nation. Some say we ate doing great because we are better than Honduras or Nicaragua which is a joke
 
haymarket said:
I do not follow your line of questioning.
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Well if you think that gun worshippers won't like ads for certain backpacks, I just wondered how you think other groups might like them.
 
snakestretcher said:
Are you serious? Let's be clear here, without the French money, guns, troops, ships and military leadership Ben Franklin begged from France, you would have been toast. I still don't understand why you posted the above; is it supposed to be some kind of intelligent response?
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Are you serious?
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Yes

without the French money, guns, troops, ships and military
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We beat you in these battles before the French really intervened?


Concord

Trenton

Princeton

Saratoga

And would have beat you at Bunker hill(Breeds hill) if it wasn't for running out of Ammo?
 
Luther said:
Yes



We beat you in these battles before the French really intervened?


Concord

Trenton

Princeton

Saratoga

And would have beat you at Bunker hill(Breeds hill) if it wasn't for running out of Ammo?
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Yes, supply lines. The same thing which cost Hitler Soviet Russia, cost the British.
 
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