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'Legalized bribery': Warren slams lobbyists despite having taken their donations

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren is being criticized for her recent condemnation of lobbyist donations to political campaigns, given the large donations she has received from lobbying groups during her senatorial campaigns.

Rendell further pointed out that although Warren has avoided large donations and lobbyists in her bid for the presidency, she did begin her campaign with a $10.4 million transfer from her Senate reelection campaign. More than $6 million of that transfer, Rendell noted, came from donations of $1,000 or more.

'Legalized bribery': Warren slams lobbyists despite having taken their donations
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She, Pocahontas Lie-alotta is a massive Fraud who will have her crazy Commi leaning ass kicked across the nation by The Orange One.

She not only is a fraud, but a shrill nightmare Mother-in-law type on par with Hillary. Good luck with that Democrats! ROTFLOL...
 
99% of US politicians accept lobbyist money, including Donald Trump. However the only people that speak against it or attempt to change the system for the positive are progressive Democrats. I assume from your anger you support legalized bribery of our politicians, and just want her to shut up.

The American political system is designed to be corrupt and progressive Democrats will continue to call out graft and bribery while the Republicans defend it and the Democratic statists stay silent.
 
This is nothing more than useless nonsense designed to influence the useful idiots in the Democratic Party.

There isn't one Congressman...House or Senate...Democrat or Republican...who doesn't depend upon money from lobbyists to get elected, including Warren. Not one of them would even propose what she is calling for, let alone vote for it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
99% of US politicians accept lobbyist money, including Donald Trump. However the only people that speak against it or attempt to change the system for the positive are progressive Democrats. I assume from your anger you support legalized bribery of our politicians, and just want her to shut up.

The American political system is designed to be corrupt and progressive Democrats will continue to call out graft and bribery while the Republicans defend it and the Democratic statists stay silent.
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With both parties spending more than a billion $'s for the presidency, a $400k annual salary, and no one has tabulated how much more collectively for other offices, where do you believe that money is coming from? Do you believe it is an accumulation of small altruistic donations?

Campaign reformers who practice what they preach do not get elected. Politicians are experts, including Warren, at delivering empty promises.

"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all the time." PT Barnum

"At the Circus" The Marx brothers and always worth watching.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
99% of US politicians accept lobbyist money, including Donald Trump. However the only people that speak against it or attempt to change the system for the positive are progressive Democrats. I assume from your anger you support legalized bribery of our politicians, and just want her to shut up.

The American political system is designed to be corrupt and progressive Democrats will continue to call out graft and bribery while the Republicans defend it and the Democratic statists stay silent.
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The only people who speak against the free speech and political participation of American citizens are regressive democrats, you are very correct
 
Mycroft said:
This is nothing more than useless nonsense designed to influence the useful idiots in the Democratic Party.

There isn't one Congressman...House or Senate...Democrat or Republican...who doesn't depend upon money from lobbyists to get elected, including Warren. Not one of them would even propose what she is calling for, let alone vote for it.
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I see. So that’s why we should shut anyone up who even wants to talk about it.
 
Mycroft said:
This is nothing more than useless nonsense designed to influence the useful idiots in the Democratic Party.

There isn't one Congressman...House or Senate...Democrat or Republican...who doesn't depend upon money from lobbyists to get elected, including Warren. Not one of them would even propose what she is calling for, let alone vote for it.
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In 2012 and 2018 Senator Warren's campaign accepted a total of $95,000 from federally registered lobbyists for her re-election campaigns for the U.S. Senate. Her campaign was not 'dependent' on that 95k. Warren’s campaign did not dispute that she’s received past campaign contributions from lobbyists but her success with her presidential campaign so far is all due to grassroots support from small donors.

The practice of greedily accepting money from lobbyists should be illegal. It would certainly change the way campaigns are conducted if candidates had to depend solely on small donors for their campaign funding. Elizabeth Warren is not accepting any PAC or lobbyist money for her presidential campaign, I applaud that.
 
ataraxia said:
I see. So that’s why we should shut anyone up who even wants to talk about it.
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???

Who said anything about shutting anyone up? Certainly not me?

Tell me...why do you make **** up?
 
HumblePi said:
In 2012 and 2018 Senator Warren's campaign accepted a total of $95,000 from federally registered lobbyists for her re-election campaigns for the U.S. Senate. Her campaign was not 'dependent' on that 95k. Warren’s campaign did not dispute that she’s received past campaign contributions from lobbyists but her success with her presidential campaign so far is all due to grassroots support from small donors.

The practice of greedily accepting money from lobbyists should be illegal. It would certainly change the way campaigns are conducted if candidates had to depend solely on small donors for their campaign funding. Elizabeth Warren is not accepting any PAC or lobbyist money for her presidential campaign, I applaud that.
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Your comment doesn't change my contention that this is nothing more than useless nonsense designed to influence the Democratic useful idiots or my contention that there will never be a law forbidding lobbyist donations.
 
Mycroft said:
Your comment doesn't change my contention that this is nothing more than useless nonsense designed to influence the Democratic useful idiots or my contention that there will never be a law forbidding lobbyist donations.
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When President Warren takes office, you're going to see the rule pertaining to candidates accepting money from special interest groups change really fast.
 
HumblePi said:
When President Warren takes office, you're going to see the rule pertaining to candidates accepting money from special interest groups change really fast.
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Never gonna happen. Either:roll:
 
zimmer said:
She, Pocahontas Lie-alotta is a massive Fraud who will have her crazy Commi leaning ass kicked across the nation by The Orange One.

She not only is a fraud, but a shrill nightmare Mother-in-law type on par with Hillary. Good luck with that Democrats! ROTFLOL...
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If you knew what you were talking about, and still wanted to describe her position, you would have said she is scrapping lobbyist donations and believes other candidates should do the same. She didn't say she hasn't accepted lobbyist help in the past.
 
HumblePi said:
When President Warren takes office, you're going to see the rule pertaining to candidates accepting money from special interest groups change really fast.
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Like I said...no Congressman will touch that issue. There is too much personally at stake for every one of them.
 
Mycroft said:
Like I said...no Congressman will touch that issue. There is too much personally at stake for every one of them.
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It's admittedly a difficult, paradoxical situation: you cannot get into a position to be able to dismantle the corruption in the system without using that system.

Nontheless, I am glad Warren is talking about it, and I am impressed there are lobbyists willing to give her good money to run on such an agenda of minimizing their influence. I am not sure why you are criticizing this, except for purely partisan purposes.

Trump ran on draining the swamp. Well that clearly hasn't worked out. It's worse than ever now- DC is a snakepit of corruption, lobbyists, and special interests, more than ever before. I don't see anything wrong with giving Warren a chance to give it a whirl. Given her history and voting record in the senate, it's consistent with everything she has said and done in the past. I think she may be the real deal.
 
HumblePi said:
When President Warren takes office, you're going to see the rule pertaining to candidates accepting money from special interest groups change really fast.
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Yes, of course she will be able to accomplish that with the approval of congress. :rofl

When you finish extolling your heroine, remind yourself PACs were created to circumvent election law financing reforms, and they give no money to candidates. They act in behalf of candidates in the guise of acting for the party. There are many methods to support a candidate without a dollar entering the candidate's hands.
 
ataraxia said:
It's admittedly a difficult, paradoxical situation: you cannot get into a position to be able to dismantle the corruption in the system without using that system.

Nontheless, I am glad Warren is talking about it, and I am impressed there are lobbyists willing to give her good money to run on such an agenda of minimizing their influence. I am not sure why you are criticizing this, except for purely partisan purposes.

Trump ran on draining the swamp. Well that clearly hasn't worked out. It's worse than ever now- DC is a snakepit of corruption, lobbyists, and special interests, more than ever before. I don't see anything wrong with giving Warren a chance to give it a whirl. Given her history and voting record in the senate, it's consistent with everything she has said and done in the past. I think she may be the real deal.
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I think you misunderstand me. I'm not criticizing the issue. Heck, I don't think ANY politician should sell themselves to the highest bidder.

I'm only saying that Congress will NEVER pass laws to end this practice. I'm also saying that Warren is bull****ting the Dem useful idiots who think she'll make this happen just because she says she will.
 
This is campaign rhetoric. Sen Warren is talking a good game, but it’s not going beyond lip service.
 
Trump said:
Never gonna happen. Either:roll:
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Why not? In Britain there are strict rules pertaining to election fundraising, any donation over £7500 must be registered as to its source, no negative advertising about your opponent is allowed, and each candidate is given equal air time to sell their manifesto. Why can't it be the same in America? Afraid that AIPAC and the NRA would have their bribes curtailed?

I would go further and prohibit ALL election 'donations' and let candidates sell themselves solely on their merits, and not buy their way into power.
 
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Mycroft said:
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not criticizing the issue. Heck, I don't think ANY politician should sell themselves to the highest bidder.

I'm only saying that Congress will NEVER pass laws to end this practice. I'm also saying that Warren is bull****ting the Dem useful idiots who think she'll make this happen just because she says she will.
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Why not? Her voting record in the Senate shows she has done it before. Why would it be different as president?
 
ataraxia said:
Why not? Her voting record in the Senate shows she has done it before. Why would it be different as president?
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Because...as President she has no say in what Congress does. She has no vote...just a pen if they happen to send her a bill.

They won't send her any such bill.
 
Mycroft said:
Because...as President she has no say in what Congress does. She has no vote...just a pen if they happen to send her a bill.

They won't send her any such bill.
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Presidents can be very instrumental in spearheading action in Congress. Remember the ACA?
 
ataraxia said:
Presidents can be very instrumental in spearheading action in Congress. Remember the ACA?
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Obama didn't make Congress pass Obamacare against their will. Hell, not even Obama would be able to get Congress to do what Warren is telling her useful idiots that she'll do.
 
ataraxia said:
Presidents can be very instrumental in spearheading action in Congress. Remember the ACA?
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The bill written by & for Big Health Care?

What's not to love if you're a corrupt political plutocrat accomplice?
 
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