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AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

lwf said:
A dress code is not discrimination, since people of any race, creed, or sexual orientation can choose to a dress code and patronize any business. And forcing businesses to adhere to equal rights under the law or be shut down is the opposite of creating special groups of people for special treatment under the law. This is, in fact, what you are proposing. You want Christian business owners to be considered a special group of people that receive special treatment under the law due to their religious beliefs. It you who are the fascist, my friend.
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businesses discriminate against events all the time.
artist's refuse to make paintings etc for various reasons all the time.

1st amendment to free speech is inherent to a free society this has been ruled on many times also
the fact that someone could be imprisoned for that free speech is what is unconstitutional.
 
Lisa said:
Have gay people put out a recent fatwa to kill Christians that I haven't been informed of? How many gay couples are Christians?
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There are millions of gay people that are christian. your first sentence makes 0 sense.

This isn't all Christians but the very same group of religious bigots who claimed that their religious beliefs were also bing trampled when racism in public businesses was ended by the public accommodation protections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. They will get over and act like rational adults in a few years. They don't get to hide their bigotry behind the First Amendment's religious freedoms any longer.
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prove it.
so why are you being bigoted toward their religious beliefs?

again facts are facts. you still have not addressed a few arguments here.

1. are business allowed to discriminate against events? yes they are and they do so on a regular basis.
2. are artist allowed to not make custom paitings or other works of art if they find it offensive or against something they believe? yes they are.

all fall under 1st amendment protections.
 
weaver2 said:
If you want a book on stain worship you'll have better luck in a fabric store than in a Christian book store LOL. Satin Worship:lamo
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Well Heck: My bossy and aggressive spell checker changed 'satin' to 'stain'
 
SheWolf said:
You’re blowing a whole in you’re reading comprehension
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not really. i read everything you said and provided logical counter arguments.

this cased involved the state possibly imprisoning people for their religious/free speech views which is unconstitutional.
 
ludin said:
businesses discriminate against events all the time.
artist's refuse to make paintings etc for various reasons all the time.

1st amendment to free speech is inherent to a free society this has been ruled on many times also
the fact that someone could be imprisoned for that free speech is what is unconstitutional.
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No one should be imprisoned for exercising free speech. They should, however, not be allowed to run a business that serves the public if they refuse to serve certain American citizens based solely on their race, creed, or sexual orientation.
 
ludin said:
discriminating against someone's religious beliefs is being bigoted as well.
sure they are. you again seem confused on the issue.

businesses discriminate against events all the time.
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I don’t care if you call it bigoted, it’s not illegal to not engage with a business because of their views on your rights. Call it bigoted all you want. It’s still constitutionally protected free speech. Nobody needing an invitation has to buy from them, and only them.
 
lwf said:
No one should be imprisoned for exercising free speech. They should, however, not be allowed to run a business that serves the public if they refuse to serve certain American citizens based solely on their race, creed, or sexual orientation.
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good thing they are not doing that.
 
SheWolf said:
I don’t care if you call it bigoted, it’s not illegal to not engage with a business because of their views on your rights. Call it bigoted all you want. It’s still constitutionally protected free speech. Nobody needing an invitation has to buy from them, and only them.
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you are confused again. it is bigoted to tell them they have to label themselves a christian business.

I am all for people shopping where they want to shop. that is what the free market allows for.
 
ludin said:
good thing they are not doing that.
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Someone who refuses to serve a customer because they are gay is doing that, and should lose their business of they don't change this policy.
 
lwf said:
Someone who refuses to serve a customer because they are gay is doing that, and should lose their business of they don't change this policy.
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good thing they are not doing that.
and no we don't live in a facist society so
no they shouldn't lose their business.

which is why we live in a free society. if you want to live in a facist society there
are plenty of them for you to choose from.
 
ludin said:
businesses discriminate against events all the time.
artist's refuse to make paintings etc for various reasons all the time.
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What artists paint what the customers want, except for portraits?


1st amendment to free speech is inherent to a free society this has been ruled on many times also
the fact that someone could be imprisoned for that free speech is what is unconstitutional.
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Do you have one shred of evidence that this business could not pray, belive or play religious b music as they baked a cake, arranged flowers or printed an invitation?

These people are just unrepentant bigots who are resurrecting the threadbare argument of hiding their bigotry behind the First Amendment. A business is not religious because the act of incorporation separates the person from the business. These people could dress like Jesus Chritist, a nun, or the pope if they wanted to and their customers wouldn't care.
 
ludin said:
not really. i read everything you said and provided logical counter arguments.

this cased involved the state possibly imprisoning people for their religious/free speech views which is unconstitutional.
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only in fantasy land. Facts prove your claims wrong . . disagree prove otherwise you cant and wont . .much to our delight youll post more lies and deflections
 
ludin said:
good thing they are not doing that.
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aaaand another failed lie

who is they? many people are trying just that . . .getting caught and failing and the bigots in the op are another fctaul example . . oooops another posted lie of yours bites the dust.
 
ludin said:
not really. i read everything you said and provided logical counter arguments.

this cased involved the state possibly imprisoning people for their religious/free speech views which is unconstitutional.
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Why are you pointing this out when I say in the OP, I agree with the court ruling and agree with the concept of compelled speech?

I am not debating this point
 
Lisa said:
What artists paint what the customers want, except for portraits?
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artist can refuse to paint anything that they would find offensive or demeaning or anything else.
protected under the first amendment you don't seem to know what you are talking about.

Do you have one shred of evidence that this business could not pray, belive or play religious b music as they baked a cake, arranged flowers or printed an invitation?
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Did you not read the OP or are you just making stuff up?

These people are just unrepentant bigots who are resurrecting the threadbare argument of hiding their bigotry behind the First Amendment. A business is not religious because the act of incorporation separates the person from the business. These people could dress like Jesus Chritist, a nun, or the pope if they wanted to and their customers wouldn't care.
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So you are being just as bigoted. not a good thing to be in this discussion.
Actually the Hobby Lobby case says otherwise.

again businesses discriminate against events all the time.
 
SheWolf said:
Why are you pointing this out when I say in the OP, I agree with the court ruling and agree with the concept of compelled speech?

I am not debating this point
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yet you are posting the exact opposite. you are saying they have to be compelled.
 
ludin said:
you are confused again. it is bigoted to tell them they have to label themselves a christian business.

I am all for people shopping where they want to shop. that is what the free market allows for.
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They label themselves Christian, and argued it in court as reason for their business practices

There are other Christians arguing in this thread arguing these women are not exactly promoting Christianity. That is a debate

They should be transparent with the public, because they don’t everybody in the public, all the time
 
lwf said:
Tax Business Refuses To Prepare Joint Return For Gay Couple On Religious Grounds – CBS Denver

Miss. Wedding Venue Refuses to Serve Interracial Couple | Time

Restaurant refuses to host lesbian couple’s ‘unhealthy’ wedding rehearsal dinner / LGBTQ Nation
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The first 1 is wrong and should be prosecuted there is nothing religious about tax returns.
the 2nd one is wrong as well by prior standings.
the 3rd one is fine as businesses can refuse to hold events.

again said they were doing no such things.
businesses are free to discriminate against any event that they wish.
 
ludin said:
yet you are posting the exact opposite. you are saying they have to be compelled.
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not one person here is saying they have to be compelled, why do you post so many lies?

if you disagree quote them saying they want people forced . . .we'll wait!

:popcorn2:
 
ludin said:
The first 1 is wrong and should be prosecuted there is nothing religious about tax returns.
the 2nd one is wrong as well by prior standings.
the 3rd one is fine as businesses can refuse to hold events.

again said they were doing no such things.
businesses are free to discriminate against any event that they wish.
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all those links prove your lie wrong LMAO . . all of them
 
SheWolf said:
They label themselves Christian, and argued it in court as reason for their business practices

There are other Christians arguing in this thread arguing these women are not exactly promoting Christianity. That is a debate

They should be transparent with the public, because they don’t everybody in the public, all the time
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sure they do.
they don't serve all events. which is within their right.
again you are confused on the issue.

telling them they have to label their business christian is discrimination and unconstitutional.
 
ludin said:
they don't serve all events. which is within their right.
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awesome!
again no matter how many times you post this lie it will fail over and over again

they want to discriminate against and not serve gays . . this fact will never change based on your posted lies
 
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