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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

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    No one refused to serve anyone based on their sexual preference.
    actually many people have tried, and thats what the bigots in the OP want to do. that fact wont change no matter how much you want ti to
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

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    Before the southern democrats became republicans?
    There was only one Dixiecrat who ever became a Republican, Strom Thurmond. All of your other Dixiecrat bigots, like Senators Fulbright and Byrd, remained devote Democrat bigots for the rest of their pathetic lives. Your deliberate lies have been debunked. The Democratic Party remains as the party of bigots, as it always has been, even today.
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherFease View Post
    Here's my belief/take:

    1.) You open up a business for the public, you have to serve everybody. I don't care if they are black, Jewish, Italian, trans, gay, transvestite, butch lesbian, neo-Nazi, or whatever. You have to serve them. Period. End of story. Business owners have rights, but so do customers.

    2.) Black people, before the 1964 civil rights act was passed, had to carry around a Green Book with them, if they traveled/lived in the south. This book told black people where they could safely lodge, eat, get gas, and shop. I would hate to see people carrying around "The Rainbow Book" in order for them to go to stores or eat food.

    3.) If the customer asks for a custom-made product and the artist/owner objects to that design, they do not have to create that design. That falls under freedom of speech. But if the owner/artist approves of the design, then he/she has to sell it to everybody, regardless of what you think about the customer's skin color or so-called lifestyle choices.

    4.) So there's where both sides will have issues with me: Religious Right will reject the concept that we have to serve everybody and treat LGBTQ Americans as human beings, Americans.
    5.) The far-left will hate the fact that Jewish bakers have to serve Neo-Nazis and products can be rejected on the basis of objection to design.
    1.) I know you are saying its just your belief but im just pointing out the reality that a business can refuse service for any reason it wants . . as long . . .as it doesn't break the law or violate rights
    as far as your list goes lets look at it

    "black, Jewish, Italian" . . races and ethnicity is already protected nationally and nobody can deny them service based on that and violate their rights

    "trans, gay, transvestite, lesbian" . . sexual orientation and gender identity is protected in many states, most large cities and the majority of fortune 500 companies. Soon it will be nationally protected and bigots will just have to figure out a new way to be vile

    "Nazi or whatever." is not protected in the US, nor should it ever be. Now with that said there are some places that protect political party affiliation

    2.) agreed and that is the same as bakers not serving gays wedding cakes, claiming otherwise is completely retarded and factually wrong. its discrimination and denying service (not saying YOU said otherwise just pointing that out)


    3.) This i am fine with BUT custom needs defined, people throw it around to loosely. For example adding names to a cake or invitation that you have made already for others or is in your sells book etc is not custom. And also its still not a licenses to discriminate against race, gender, sex, religion etc . . my point is its a largely grey area that needs addressed when it happens and no blanket legislation will get it right.

    4.) in business they do and it will be even more protected nationally soon. Bigot will have to get over it. Also a very important note. millions of religious people on the right support equal rights and would never participate is such vile bigotry and violate peoples rights.
    5.) most people would hate that and thankfully thats not the way it is

    interesting views though, i wouldnt support them because i value rights to much but interesting none the less
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    A dress code is not discrimination, since people of any race, creed, or sexual orientation can choose to a dress code and patronize any business. And forcing businesses to adhere to equal rights under the law or be shut down is the opposite of creating special groups of people for special treatment under the law. This is, in fact, what you are proposing. You want Christian business owners to be considered a special group of people that receive special treatment under the law due to their religious beliefs. It you who are the fascist, my friend.
    A dress code is most definitely discrimination. Since they are discriminating on whether or not you will get service based upon your attire. A business can also discriminate, legally, against communists. Refusing to hire them, firing them on the spot, or refusing them service. There are a multitude of different forms of discrimination businesses can take.

    Businesses don't have to adhere to "equal rights under the law" since that ONLY applies to government. Businesses can create any group of people they desire and single them out for special treatment, and they often do just that.

    You are clearly confusing businesses with government. They are not the same. Businesses don't have to adhere to the US Constitution, government does.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    1.) A dress code is most definitely discrimination. Since they are discriminating on whether or not you will get service based upon your attire. A business can also discriminate, legally, against communists. Refusing to hire them, firing them on the spot, or refusing them service.
    2.)There are a multitude of different forms of discrimination businesses can take.
    3.) Businesses don't have to adhere to "equal rights under the law" since that ONLY applies to government. Businesses can create any group of people they desire and single them out for special treatment, and they often do just that.
    4.)You are clearly confusing businesses with government. They are not the same. Businesses don't have to adhere to the US Constitution, government does.
    1.) a dress code in general is FACTUALLY not illegal discrimination . . next
    2.) yes as long as they dont break the law or violate rights
    3.) again only if it doesnt break the law and violate rights
    4.) so do businesses, not "equal protection"per say but they do in fact have to adhere to parts of the constitution. on this topic the civil rights act and how PA laws tie into that

    maybe i missed something in the conversation you are having but parts of your post are still factually wrong
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Prove that they knew the people were Christian and against gay marriage to that point to refuse service.

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    I already posted their bio's from their website that proves they're practicing Christians. You even responded to that post.
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Trust me I know bigotry when I see it. And, yes the mission statement of Evangelicals is pretty clear that what they want is a theocracy. Other conservative religious organizations have expressed a desire for a theocracy.
    Yet you ignore the bigotry you are spouting in your post. why is that?

    “Government is a gift from God for the common good. Good governance creates the conditions in which human beings fulfill their responsibilities as God’s image bearers and as stewards of God’s creation.” (Mission statement of the National Association of Evangelicals)

    "God has ordained all social institutions, including the government, for the benefit of mankind and as a reflection of His divine nature. The Supreme Court's imposition of the doctrine of separation of church and state distorts the Founding Father's recognition of our unequivocally Christian nation and the protection of religious freedom for all faiths. (“Focus on the Family”position statement on Church and State)

    "Human government was instituted by God to protect our unalienable rights from our own selfish tendencies. ……. Government has its role, and it should allow other God-ordained institutions the freedom to perform their roles as well. (Statement on the role of government from:All About GOD Ministries, Inc)

    What is described above is not a representative democracy.
    How is it not? Even the founders of this country recognized where rights come from.
    they were bestowed by our creator, and government gains it's power from the governed.

    There is nothing there that describes that a government should be a theocracy. as you suggested.
    it does state the government should govern to the highest moral standard possible.

    Businesses do not discriminate all the time. They don't discriminate most of the time. They don't discriminate some of the time. In fact most businesses are not so psychotic that they feel they have to know all about their customers sexual lives. If they did they would run afoul of state and local nondiscriminatory laws. If a baker is in business in a public store selling his artistic expression to the public he cannot then say oops sorry I only sell my artistic expression to people that don't commit sodomy. Saying it is artistic expression doesn't permit him to discriminate.
    Sorry but businesses decline to do events all the time.

    He no longer sells wedding cakes in his store and you did not read the text of the SC decision
    Wedding | MASTERPIECE CAKESHOP
    yes i did. you evidently did and yes he still sales wedding cakes.

    When did a wedding cake become an event?
    Weddings are an event and now you are just being obtuse.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    1.)yes i did.
    2.) yes he still sales wedding cakes.
    3.) weddings are an event and now you are just being obtuse.
    1.) no you didnt or you would know the fact that claiming he won is wrong
    2.) and if the bigot declines to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple hell be right back in court because thats still illegal
    3.) holy irony batman

    a wedding cake is not an event and a wedding cake is not the same as a wedding LMAO

    these facts will not change
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I already posted their bio's from their website that proves they're practicing Christians. You even responded to that post.
    Just because someone is a practicing Christian doesnt mean they will refuse service to same sex couples for their weddings. Many Christian business owners won't.

    No one tried to order invitations for a same sex wedding from these owners though (from my understanding). So it would then have to be other businesses that you would have to show each couple who came in knew that the owner was Christisn and would refuse them service.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) a dress code in general is FACTUALLY not illegal discrimination . . next
    2.) yes as long as they dont break the law or violate rights
    3.) again only if it doesnt break the law and violate rights
    4.) so do businesses, not "equal protection"per say but they do in fact have to adhere to parts of the constitution. on this topic the civil rights act and how PA laws tie into that

    maybe i missed something in the conversation you are having but parts of your post are still factually wrong
    If you actually read the posts your above post wouldn't appear so monumentally stupid, but since you don't bother to actually read what was posted your posts can't help but be the most idiotic of the thread. Congratulations. With over 385 posts in this thread that is a real achievement.

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