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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    So a business that sells poison disguised as lollipops should merely be boycotted until they run out of money, rather than shut down by the government?
    Wedding invitations are "poison"? That seems like a reach.
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

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    Wedding invitations are "poison"? That seems like a reach.
    So we are in agreement: Businesses can absolutely be forcibly compelled to follow rules that the federal government dictates.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Yes, there are millions of Christian gays. They belong to churches that don't have bigotry as a major tenet of their religion. And when a religion wallows in it's bigotry, gets hostile and proclaims they have a right to bigotry, it's hard not to be disgusted with them and their religion. When they state, in their public mission statement, that they believe in a theocracy not democracy, it's OK to act against their establishment of a theocracy.
    you don't seem to know what the definition of bigotry is. there are christian churches out there that still uphold the definition of marriage as 1 man and 1 woman that is not being bigoted. if you consider it bigoted then you are being just as bigoted as you claim that they are. yea i don't know too many church's that state what you think they state.

    No, businesses serving the public in the public square is allowed to discriminate. A Kosher deli can refuse to make a ham and cheese sandwich but that applies to all customers not just Jewish customers. A Christian book store can refuse to stock and sell books on Satanism but that decision applies to all customers. A wedding cake maker can refuse to make a wedding cake but then that applies to all customers not just gay customers.
    Business's discriminate against events all the time. what you are describing are not artistic impressions. artistic impressions can discriminate against messages that they do not support.
    see first amendment rulings. if they went in to buy a cake and were told no i would fully support any discrimination law suit against them. custom artistic expressions are a different story.

    If you are selling to the public in a public you cannot deny to one customer what you will sell to another and Mr. Philips of Masterpiece Cakes fully understood that. He quit selling wedding cakes altogether in his store. Any wedding cakes he sell now are made by private arrangement.
    actually he still sells cakes in this store you don't know what you are talking about and he won his case by the way.

    Artists are not working in the public venue. Their sales and the sale you describe are a personal arrangement and are not bound by the same regulations as stores selling to the public in a public place.
    yep they are. you can't force a business to do events.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post


    actually he still sells cakes in this store you don't know what you are talking about and he won his case by the way.


    yep they are. you can't force a business to do events.
    The SCOTUS did not rule on the large issue of whether he had the right to deny service. That issue was kicked down the ruling for a ruling in the future. The court only ruled on a small issue of whether he was treated fairly by the Colorado State commission. They ruled that he didn't because the state commission called him a religious bigot. Colorado has an LGBT protection law that is still in effect and Jack Phillips has to obey it, so he cannot refuse to serve LGBT customers as equals.

    Wedding cakes are always a custom order so he cannot claim that LGBT customers must pick a stock cake from the cooler while he makes custom wedding cakes for heteros.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    sorry i am not going to play this game with you.
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    The issue is that you donít comprehend my actual argument

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    So we are in agreement: Businesses can absolutely be forcibly compelled to follow rules that the federal government dictates.
    Unconstitutional laws should be illegal. They are not always.
    Thank you

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Unconstitutional laws should be illegal. They are not always.
    There is nothing unconstitutional about regulating commerce.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

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    Unconstitutional laws are illegal.
    What law are you claiming is unconstitutional?

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    1.) actually he still sells cakes in this store you don't know what you are talking about and he won his case by the way.
    2.) you can't force a business to do events.

    1.) and another lie lol
    2.) in america nobody is doing that in regard to civil rights, PA and AD laws

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    I'm not at risk for AIDS. Gays are.

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