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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    The homosexuals are demanding facilitation of their mockery of marriage. This is not a normal business transaction.
    They are not demanding the approval of their relationship. They are demanding equality in public service. They didn't give a flip about your approval of their relationship because it is not part of the customer relationship. You are putting something into that trade that doesn't belong there. Take the profit from that transaction and donate it to your church. Your customers don't care what you do with it.

    Were people required to support interracial marriage after the Loving v. Virginia decision or interfaith marriage? Are you equally insulted if the couple were not Christian, divorcees or maybe even atheists? Should we have "Whites Only" businesses and "Christian Only" businesses too? There are some Protestant sects that support LGBT marriage, so how would you discriminate against those couples, despite the fact that they were married in a Christian church?

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    So they shouldn't do business with anyone who isn't either a virgin or married.
    Or divorcees and interfaith couples.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    So they shouldn't do business with anyone who isn't either a virgin or married.
    These Christian owned businesses are being targeted because they're Christian owned businesses. I'm LMAO at these activists assholes losing these court cases.
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman. Since, as far as the Bible is concerned, two men/two women can't be married in the eyes of God, then they're fornicating and fornicating is a sin.
    In many cases, the bible said marriage was between one man and multiple women.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    So they shouldn't do business with anyone who isn't either a virgin or married.
    Who are they kidding. I am sure like most of the Christians in America, they had sex before marriage.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The interesting thing about this case, is that nobody asked or even tried to force these women to make a gay wedding invitation. They just "feared they would be put in jail" for not making a gay wedding invitation if asked.

    The more I think about issues like this, the more I wonder why these businesses just don't advertise that they are Christian business and do not serve the general public. If businesses like this business operated like that, I am certain gay people wouldn't even bother with them, which both sides would probably prefer.



    I have never understood how refusing to do business with a gay person is a Christian teaching. As for free speech, I understand the concept of compelled speech. I support these women and this decision as far as them being forced to create art they don't want, or convey a message which they do not want to convey. I agree this could potentially strengthen free speech for others, as the article points out. I am just not sure it's a Christian teaching to target one group of people committing a sin, and living in sin. All Abrahamic religions recognize homosexuality is a sin, but it seems only American Christians are focusing on LGBT people like this.

    There is a very high probability these women would be asked to create a wedding invitation involving a child out of wedlock. This legal case was only based on LGBT people, however.

    The Arizona Supreme Court ruled two business owners did not have to make invitations for a same-sex wedding - CNN
    Simply put, refusing to do business with a gay person. Is not actually a Christian teaching. Nor is it any kind of teaching held over from any recently applied Christian source, that I believe can actually be cited at this point.

    We also don't see anyone other then American Christians focusing on LGBT people like this, because when something like this happens. It's blown up out of proportion and when it happens anywhere else, it's usually ignored. Because you can find videos of people trying to have a wedding cake made for such events at Muslim owned bakery, and getting turned away for the same reasons, with no fanfare to be seen.

    I don't really like these cases myself. I'm under the assumption that a business should be able to do business as it sees fit, and then suffer the repercussions of such actions as they follow.
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Nobody does that, which is why they should declare their business as a Christian based business or something else. They should let the public know they don't serve everybody.

    If they are going refuse business to a LGBT, then I am sure an LGBT person and others would like to know their business practices for any and all situations. LGBT people hire caterers, invitation designers, artists, etc. for all kinds of purposes outside of their personal weddings.
    It shouldn't be legal for a business to refuse to serve customers based on their sexuality. That said, neither can you force an artist to create something they don't want to create. Refusing to accept payment to paint a gay pride picture should be just as legal as refusing to accept payment to paint a white pride picture. However, if a gay person or a white supremacist enters your establishment and offers to pay for an already painted picture on display that you have marked for sale, it should be illegal to refuse to sell it to them based solely on their beliefs or sexuality.
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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman. Since, as far as the Bible is concerned, two men/two women can't be married in the eyes of God, then they're fornicating and fornicating is a sin.
    Do you want to have a strip search and virginity test at the front door? Jesus was adamant about opposing divorce, so what do you plan to do about that?

    Jesus affirmed (and still affirms) the permanence of the marriage bond. But He also acknowledged that because of the depravity of the human heart, the marriage bond might be severed under certain circumstances. What are those circumstances? That requires us to turn to the "exception clause" of Matthew 19:9:

    I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These Christian owned businesses are being targeted because they're Christian owned businesses. I'm LMAO at these activists assholes losing these court cases.
    No, they're being targeted because they are discriminating against American consumers based solely on their sexual preference.

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    Re: AZ Supreme Court, Gay wedding invitation decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Nobody does that, which is why they should declare their business as a Christian based business or something else. They should let the public know they don't serve everybody.

    If they are going refuse business to an LGBT, then I am sure an LGBT person and others would like to know their business practices for any and all situations. LGBT people hire caterers, invitation designers, artists, etc. for all kinds of purposes outside of their personal weddings.
    I want a permanent, unobstructed and well-lighted sign that is 24"x36" in the front door informing people that they are conservative religious bigots, who oppose the teaching of Jesus to love others like yourself and instead they reserve the right to deny anyone the right to serve so enter at your own risk. The sign would also list their name, their home address and what church they attend.

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